I think maybe your sense of humor is an effort to fight back against the
trauma in your past.
</freud>
------ Original Message ------
From: "That One Guy /sarcasm" <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>
To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com>
Sent: 9/29/2016 1:55:44 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] cargo van partition/bulkhead question
I can give a first hand example from my EMS days of where they would
have saved a person. A "woman" was driving a cargo van and got in a
wreck, the front end crumpled, drivers door was seized, items from the
back speared through the drivers seat.on her right side. fuel ignited
under the vehicle. The accident was 8 miles out from our ambulance
garage, getting through town and to the scene was probably all told
10-12 minutes
bystanders stopped to help, she was begging and pleading for them to
get her out. Theycould not open the drivers door, but were able to get
the passenger door opened. the fire engulfed the engine compartment. we
were advised of the consious alert patient and the fire via radio so we
put the hammer down.
By the time we arrived, we assisted the bystanders with their burns,
they drove themselves to the hospital.
We then waited on scene for the coroner, and assisted with the body
removal. Just fyi, toss a hot dog in a campfire and let it burn, thats
what a fresh burn corpse smells like.
One of the bystanders to this day still isnt right in the head having
had to back out of a burning vehicle and listen helplessly to a person
burn alive.
The short of the story is who really gives a shit what the law is.
cargo vehicles need them, especially utility
Its inconvenient as hell to have to harness up and hook lanyard all the
way up a tower. Ive never seen somebody fall off a tower..... see what
im saying?
On Thu, Sep 29, 2016 at 12:21 PM, George Skorup <geo...@cbcast.com>
wrote:
He's a witch, burn him.
On 9/29/2016 12:03 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
Say 4.4 lbs. (2 kG) 88 fps (26.83 m/s)
1/2 M V^2 so 1 * 26.83 * 26.83 = 718 joules
9mm pistol bullet muzzle energy is 519 joules
That felt good to get my math on this morning...
From:George Skorup
Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2016 10:57 AM
To:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] cargo van partition/bulkhead question
F=ma? I have no doubt a big ass drill bit going 60MPH could penetrate
someone's skull.
On 9/29/2016 11:52 AM, Josh Reynolds wrote:
Put the drill at 88fps and 35lbs. Cloth seat.
On Sep 29, 2016 11:44 AM, "Bill Prince" <part15...@gmail.com> wrote:
Can't put more into it than it has to begin with. If the truck is
going 88 fps, and runs into an impenetrable barrier (brick wall
would be close), and "instantly" stopped. The drill bit "might"
continue at that 88 fps. It can't go faster than that.
bp <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
On 9/29/2016 9:39 AM, Josh Reynolds wrote:
Add in the G force of near instantaneous deceleration...
On Sep 29, 2016 11:30 AM, "Bill Prince" <part15...@gmail.com>
wrote:
That sounds like an urban myth. It would take near-ballistic
speeds (~~ 600-1000 fps) to drive a drill bit like that.
Driving a truck into a brick wall at 60 MPH, would only get you
~~ 88 fps.
bp <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
On 9/29/2016 8:35 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:
I didn't see it personally, but I'm told a guy here crashed an
F-150 and the drill with 18" bit on it flew forward from the
back of the cab and the drill bit poked right through the front
seat. Missed him by inches.
I imagine the seat slowed it down enough that it wouldn't have
killed him, but still...
------ Original Message ------
From: "Ken Hohhof" <af...@kwisp.com>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 9/28/2016 7:11:46 PM
Subject: [AFMUG] cargo van partition/bulkhead question
Is there any legal or insurance requirement to have one of
these? I hate them, and while I understand they are to prevent
decapitation by a flying object from the cargo area, I can’t
recall ever having such a flying object.
I like having a rear window on the van for visibility, and even
with a backup camera and sideview mirrors, being able to see
out the back is nice.
Are there other advantages to them? I guess the AC and heater
might work better if isolated from the cargo space. I’ve seen
claims it makes the cabin quieter, but anytime I’ve driven a
van with a partition, there has been an annoying rattle from
the door to the back. I could maybe see if you could put some
shelving units up against the back of the partition. That
might even make a van with dual sliding side doors viable.
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