And soybeans. And pigs.
*From:*Af [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Tyler Treat
*Sent:* Thursday, September 29, 2016 3:15 PM
*To:* Animal Farm <[email protected]>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] cargo van partition/bulkhead question
and corn. lots and lots of corn.
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*From:*Af <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> on
behalf of Jaime Solorza <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>
*Sent:* Thursday, September 29, 2016 1:22 PM
*To:* Animal Farm
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] cargo van partition/bulkhead question
Illinois has open spaces? I thought it was all concrete jungles
...
On Sep 29, 2016 12:18 PM, "Ken Hohhof" <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Just to make clear where I�m coming from, we are out in the
country and have people killed fairly regularly at RR crossings
without gates or signals. Roads cross RR tracks at an angle, and
I hate the limited visibility out of a cargo van and anything that
further restricts the visibility, I have even considered getting
glass in the passenger side sliding door because that�s a blind
spot at some of these RR crossings. Luckily the sand trains are
slow. The Amtrak trains though will kill you. I have 2 customers
with family members who experienced death by Amtrak. They do
typically put gates at crossings _after_ someone is killed. For
example 18^th Rd. by Leland, and 23^rd Rd. by Somonauk, and that�s
just one 5 mile stretch of track. Personally, I want to see both
ways even if there is a gate.
There�s also the constant risk of backing over someone�s mailbox,
I guess a backup camera would take care of that.
*From:*Af [mailto:[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>] *On Behalf Of *Josh Reynolds
*Sent:* Thursday, September 29, 2016 1:00 PM
*To:* [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] cargo van partition/bulkhead question
+1
On Sep 29, 2016 12:55 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm"
<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
I can give a first hand example from my EMS days of where they
would have saved a person. A "woman" was driving a cargo van
and got in a wreck, the front end crumpled, drivers door was
seized, items from the back speared through the drivers
seat.on her right side. fuel ignited under the vehicle. The
accident was 8 miles out from our ambulance garage, getting
through town and to the scene was probably all told 10-12 minutes
bystanders stopped to help, she was begging and pleading for
them to get her out. Theycould not open the drivers door, but
were able to get the passenger door opened. the fire engulfed
the engine compartment. we were advised of the consious alert
patient and the fire via radio so we put the hammer down.
By the time we arrived, we assisted the bystanders with their
burns, they drove themselves to the hospital.
We then waited on scene for the coroner, and assisted with the
body removal. Just fyi, toss a hot dog in a campfire and let
it burn, thats what a fresh burn corpse smells like.
One of the bystanders to this day still isnt right in the head
having had to back out of a burning vehicle and listen
helplessly to a person burn alive.
The short of the story is who really gives a shit what the law
is. cargo vehicles need them, especially utility
Its inconvenient as hell to have to harness up and hook
lanyard all the way up a tower. Ive never seen somebody fall
off a tower..... see what im saying?
On Thu, Sep 29, 2016 at 12:21 PM, George Skorup
<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
He's a witch, burn him.
On 9/29/2016 12:03 PM, [email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]> wrote:
Say 4.4 lbs. (2 kG) 88 fps (26.83 m/s)
1/2 M V^2 so 1 * 26.83 * 26.83 = 718 joules
9mm pistol bullet muzzle energy is 519 joules
That felt good to get my math on this morning...
*From:*George Skorup
*Sent:*Thursday, September 29, 2016 10:57 AM
*To:*[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] cargo van partition/bulkhead
question
F=ma? I have no doubt a big ass drill bit going 60MPH
could penetrate someone's skull.
On 9/29/2016 11:52 AM, Josh Reynolds wrote:
Put the drill at 88fps and 35lbs. Cloth seat.
On Sep 29, 2016 11:44 AM, "Bill Prince"
<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>
wrote:
Can't put more into it than it has to begin
with. If the truck is going 88 fps, and runs
into an impenetrable barrier (brick wall would
be close), and "instantly" stopped. The drill
bit "might" continue at that 88 fps. It can't
go faster than that.
bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
On 9/29/2016 9:39 AM, Josh Reynolds wrote:
Add in the G force of near instantaneous
deceleration...
On Sep 29, 2016 11:30 AM, "Bill Prince"
<[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
That sounds like an urban myth. It
would take near-ballistic speeds (~~
600-1000 fps) to drive a drill bit
like that.
Driving a truck into a brick wall at
60 MPH, would only get you ~~ 88 fps.
bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
On 9/29/2016 8:35 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:
I didn't see it personally, but
I'm told a guy here crashed an
F-150 and the drill with 18" bit
on it flew forward from the back
of the cab and the drill bit poked
right through the front seat.
Missed him by inches.
I imagine the seat slowed it down
enough that it wouldn't have
killed him, but still...
------ Original Message ------
From: "Ken Hohhof"
<[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>
To: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
Sent: 9/28/2016 7:11:46 PM
Subject: [AFMUG] cargo van
partition/bulkhead question
Is there any legal or
insurance requirement to have
one of these? I hate them,
and while I understand they
are to prevent decapitation by
a flying object from the cargo
area, I can�t recall ever
having such a flying object.
I like having a rear window on
the van for visibility, and
even with a backup camera and
sideview mirrors, being able
to see out the back is nice.
Are there other advantages to
them? I guess the AC and
heater might work better if
isolated from the cargo
space. I�ve seen claims it
makes the cabin quieter, but
anytime I�ve driven a van with
a partition, there has been an
annoying rattle from the door
to the back. I could maybe
see if you could put some
shelving units up against the
back of the partition. That
might even make a van with
dual sliding side doors viable.
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