Yeah, CNUT, the various releases, upgrade paths, etc. is a pain and can
be confusing.
So you have 430 and 450 APs deployed. The only package added to or
enabled in your package list is say 14.1.2. If you enable auto-update on
the 430 APs, it should say no packages available. If you have 13.4.1
OFDM in the list and enable auto-update on the 430 APs, then *all* SMs
will be sent the 13.4.1 image. If you have some 430 SMs on 14.1.2, then
they'll downgrade. And if you have SMs on 12.1, then they'll upgrade. If
you have some SMs on 11.2, then they will fail to update since they need
12.1 first. And 13.4.1 doesn't exist for 450, only 13.4. So you have the
14.1.2 PXP45X package in the list and enabled. CNUT knows the 430 AP
can't use that package. But it is valid for 450/450i APs and all SMs.
Nuckin futs indeed.
I remember your whole dilemma with having a mix of 430 SMs on various
builds. Using auto-update would force you to use 12.1 to get the 11.2's
up to that, but then you also had some 13.4 or 13.4.1's out there which
would then get downgraded to 12.1. The easiest workaround for that is to
manually add the 11.2 SMs in CNUT and update them to 12.1, then enable
auto-update using 13.4.1 to update the entire sector. But I also recall
that you needed to update the APs to 13.4.1 too.
This would probably get even crazier on a 450 sector with 430 interop
SMs in the mix. But you should have no problem auto-updating to 14.1.2
if you have your 430 SMs on 13.4.1 already. 14.2.1 is what kills 430
mode on a 430 SM. After updating, the interop setting goes away and it
only talks to a 450 or 450i AP. Since you have the 430 APs out of the
picture, I think you'll be perfectly fine with 14.1.2 which still has
430 mode if you need it for some reason. The nice thing with the 450i
though is you have legacy mode. If you have SMs out there behind the
times, enable that, get them updated and then turn it back off since it
reduces throughput a bit.
Anyway...
Here's a 430 SM after updating from 13.4.1 to 14.1.2 on the bench:
And here it is after updating to 14.2.1:
And 15.0.0.1:
On 10/19/2016 10:33 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
OK, that makes sense, especially about 13.4.1 being the end of the
line for FSK and 430 AP.
I’ll have to try that on the bench. I hate over-the-air experiments
that might result in truck rolls and pissed off customers.
I have been wondering what happens if I do auto update via an AP with
a mix of 430 and 450 APs, I don’t think there’s a way to specify do
one and not the other, unless it runs into no applicable update.
*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *George Skorup
*Sent:* Wednesday, October 19, 2016 10:28 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 13.4.1 on PMP430 and alignment tone
I have taken 430 SMs to 14.x on the bench. 11.2 > 12.1 > 13.4.1 >
14.1.2. 450, 450i and 430 *SM* uses the same package file. The various
images are all rolled together in the pxp45x pkg3's. 13.4.1 is the end
of the road for the 430 *AP*. And FSK.
On 10/19/2016 10:14 PM, Sean Heskett wrote:
There isn't a .pkg file for OFDM 430 after 13.4.1
Also it's somewhere in the release notes or user manual but it's
been a while since I've read them and I don't remember which
version started talking about it. It could have been in some of
the beta release notes because we beta tested most of the 14.x
builds. Check the forums too because it might have been discussed
there as well. I'm to old to remember haha.
-Sean
On Wednesday, October 19, 2016, Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com
<mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:
OK, that provides some clarity but also more confusion. Not
sure I’m looking at the same document as you, I see
Introduction on page 5.
But in the 14.1.2 release notes, I see nothing about 430 at all.
In the 14.2.1 release notes, I do see a Note that 430 SMs must
first go to 14.1.2 before 14.2.1, and a Note they will no
longer be able to talk to a 430 AP. I am not seeing anything
about having to do the upgrade over the air (which is really
strange IMHO). Are you seeing this explicitly stated in the
release notes, or inferring it from the fact that 13.4.1 is
that last download listed on the website for 430?
*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
<javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af-boun...@afmug.com');>] *On
Behalf Of *Sean Heskett
*Sent:* Wednesday, October 19, 2016 9:29 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com');>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 13.4.1 on PMP430 and alignment tone
Software release notes for 14.2.1 in the introduction on page
3 gives the best description. (I think it's on or near the
same page with the other releases but I'm on my phone so it's
hard to scan thru them all)
The update has to be done over the air thru SMs auto update
tho. You can't upgrade a 430 SM on the bench past 13.4.1.
-Sean
On Wednesday, October 19, 2016, Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com
<javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af...@kwisp.com');>> wrote:
Do you have a link to that? I just checked and 14.1.2,
14.2.1 and 15.0 all say 450/450i/450m no mention of 430,
also on the download page if you select 430 the latest FW
shown is 13.4.1.
We gained a lot of stability with 14.1.2 and it would be
nice if we could bring the 430 SMs up to that. I’m not so
sure about 14.2.1, and 15.0 seems to be mostly to support
450m.
*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of
*Sean Heskett
*Sent:* Wednesday, October 19, 2016 6:38 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 13.4.1 on PMP430 and
alignment tone
Thru auto update from the AP over the air 430 SMs can and
should be brought up to whatever firmware the AP is using.
If you need to connect the 430SM back to a 430 AP you'll
need to manually downgrade the SM to 13.4.1 tho.
It's in all the 14.x release notes.
-Sean
On Wednesday, October 19, 2016, Ken Hohhof
<af...@kwisp.com <mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:
We have changed out all our 430 Aps for 450i, but
still have a bunch of 430 SMs running in 450
compatibility mode. My techs keep telling me when
they do service calls, that alignment tone is broken
on those SMs. The first time I figured bad hardware
since some roofers had bonked the dish, but as it
keeps happening, I’m realizing it must be the firmware.
I remember some FW release broke alignment tone on the
450 SMs and so we waited until the fixed it. I don’t
remember which release broke it and which release
fixed it.
But the release notes tell you that for compatibility
with 450i you should have 430 SMs on 13.4.1, plus I
think that’s the end of the line for 430, right? We
can’t go to 14.1.2 which is what we have on all our
450 stuff.
Does anyone know if in fact alignment tone is non
functional on a 430 SM with 13.4.1?
