10-4

We have done 71mile shot with 4ft dishes spatial diversity with ptp600. Lots of loss to overcome at that distance and professional dish install is what it took

to work. Link was 99.9987 @ 10Mbs using 5Ghz. Rain fade did not become an issue until you couldnt see your hand in front of your face and the link barely disconnected.

Bottom line goal was accomplished with very little down time at all.

I think I will look at that same shot again and see how much throughput can now be pushed over that link.



On 11/1/2016 7:00 AM, Faisal Imtiaz wrote:
Do you have that much freq /channel available in 5ghz to Burn ? (or thrash for yourself and everyone else ?)

Can one do it with 5ghz, answer is YES, but will it allow you to sleep well at night day after day for long periods of time... chances are NO....

Whatever you can do with 5ghz, you can do with licensed 6ghz (take this a bit loosely) yes the costs may be a wee bit different.

FWIW, talk to the folks who are most likely have done something similar.
   Cambium
   Exalt
   and possibly Radwin.
   Ceragon (licensed)

These folks have deep roots in working with Telco world, and as such most likely have done long links over water.

Just my 2 cents worth.
Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: [email protected]

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    *From: *"Charles Regan" <[email protected]>
    *To: *[email protected]
    *Sent: *Tuesday, November 1, 2016 5:51:39 AM
    *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] PTP 60 miles 400Mbps

    That's interesting. Using multiple frequency and hope ducting
    affects only some of them? How many DB loss from the multiplexer?


    On Oct 31, 2016 11:11 PM, "Jeremy" <[email protected]
    <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:

        If you are already using AF5X, would this be a
        possibility?Inline image 1

        On Mon, Oct 31, 2016 at 8:00 PM, Jaime Solorza
        <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>
        wrote:

            We did a link from across the bay in Corpus Cristi with
            Tsunami 5Ghz radios using 4 ft. Dishes using horizontal
polarity. 5 story building on one side and 120 ft. Tower at other side. These were 10mbps radios and we got
            almost 100% across. All the other links on same roof and
            other water as well used vertical polarity and had ducting
            issues.   With MIMO and all kinds of polarity options I am
            sure you can find a solution.  Antenna diversity must be
            engineered for path and conditions.   Where are you trying
            to shoot from?


            On Oct 31, 2016 6:39 PM, "Cassidy B. Larson"
            <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:

                Did SAF try 6GHz? Or did they only try 5GHz?
                Seems a 2+0 at 6 would probably work at that
                distance.. although seawater is a factor I dunno about


                On Oct 31, 2016, at 18:32, Charles Regan
                <[email protected]
                <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:

                    Well here's SAF response:
                    /My link planning team confirmed SAF does not have
                    a viable 5GHz radio that can achieve your
                    objective for this path./

                    Trango:
                    /rough calculation suggests that even using space
                    diversity will yield a 3 - 4 'nines' link
(predicted reliability) at around 200Mbps FDX. The use of space diversity will also add
                    considerably to the cost (a complete link might be
                    upwards of $50K)./

                    I'll ask SIAE...


                    On Oct 31, 2016 9:19 PM, "Eric Kuhnke"
                    <[email protected]
                    <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:

                        20k?

                        SIAE AlfoPlus2 6 GHz 1024QAM dual polarity
                        link. Or two pairs of alfoplus1 1024qam
                        (single polarity) radios running in parallel,
                        opposite polarities, equal OSPF cost between
                        routers.

                        Or Trango's 1024QAM 6GHz radios.

                        Why not SAF?  I thought there was a 6 GHz
                        version of the Integra now.



                        On Mon, Oct 31, 2016 at 5:10 PM, Charles Regan
                        <[email protected]
                        <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:

                            Hello everyone,

                            What would you guys use for a 60 miles PTP
                            link? 400Mbps. Oh and it's over
                            seawater... 20k$ budget.

                            SAF, Trango both said sorry, can't do.
                            Mimosa B5C with space diversity and 3k$ maybe.

                            We do have a working AF5x with a 34dbi
                            dish doing 150Mbps aggregate.
                            The link gets bad sometimes because of
                            ducting/reflection.

                            How could I use two parabolics dish on
                            different polarity with the AF5x for space
                            diversity? Splitter?

                            Should a B5C perform better or worse ?

                            Charles





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