I have been reading this thread, and following this circular, arm-chair 'product designer' conversation....
Mike, I am going to call you out... What exactly is your gripe... I am happy to see a 'cheaper radio'. What wrong with that ? What do you think is available in the market space that is a 'better performing' than an AF11x ? Is it perfect ? no, but does it hold it's own, yes, is it comparable to others, not possible to do apples to apples comparison..... If you tell me that you are coming from a Tech Purist perspective, then yes, lots of things can be different. But if you are arguing from a product availability in the market space.. please enlighten me with your thoughts.. Regards Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet & Telecom 7266 SW 48 Street Miami, FL 33155 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: [email protected] > From: "Mike Hammett" <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 6:31:36 PM > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA Members] Who will have AF-11X First? > It's a sign of it being the cheapest radio on the market, not a sign of it > being > what the customer really wanted. > That or they don't realize it's shortcomings yet or they're not educated > enough > to know the difference. I would say most of the UBNT operator community isn't > nearly as educated as they should be. > Again, because someone buys it doesn't mean it's what they wanted. Sales are > absolutely NOT an indicator of that. Sales are an indicator of what they were > willing to settle for. I'll probably settle for them and contribute to the > sales numbers being used against my argument. > ----- > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions > Midwest Internet Exchange > The Brothers WISP > From: "Ben Moore" <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 5:16:34 PM > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA Members] Who will have AF-11X First? > I don't care if they are living on the North Pole in an igloo as long as > designing killer radios that customers are buying :). The fact that the > AF-11FX > orders are so high is a good sign that customers want it and are very > comfortable with it after the success of the AF24 and AF5. > Thanks, > Ben > On Nov 19, 2016, at 4:10 PM, Mike Hammett < [email protected] > wrote: >> Them listening or not listening isn't the end-all be-all for purchase >> decisions. >> ----- >> Mike Hammett >> Intelligent Computing Solutions >> Midwest Internet Exchange >> The Brothers WISP >> From: "Josh Reynolds" < [email protected] > >> To: [email protected] >> Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 5:05:09 PM >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA Members] Who will have AF-11X First? >> You're right, people were so dumb they kept coming back. >> /s >> On Nov 19, 2016 3:06 PM, "Mike Hammett" < [email protected] > wrote: >>> Just because there are sales doesn't mean they listen. >>> ----- >>> Mike Hammett >>> Intelligent Computing Solutions >>> Midwest Internet Exchange >>> The Brothers WISP >>> From: "Josh Reynolds" < [email protected] > >>> To: [email protected] >>> Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 12:42:04 PM >>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA Members] Who will have AF-11X First? >>> Keep in mind that AFMUG and even the WISPA list is an echo chamber. >>> What one needs, another does not. There are some very vocal people in these >>> communities. >>> That said, I have spent years talking directly with Matt, Ben, Robert and >>> many >>> of the developers. They are often out of touch, but sometimes it's actually >>> myself that is. >>> When you can post a 20-40mil gain in a single quarter time after time on a >>> given >>> line without direct sales, you are doing something right. >>> On Nov 19, 2016 11:27 AM, "Mike Hammett" < [email protected] > wrote: >>>> Seeing what they put out, not having a clue what the competition is already >>>> doing and the ignoring of their customers and super users means they're >>>> out of >>>> touch. >>>> ----- >>>> Mike Hammett >>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions >>>> Midwest Internet Exchange >>>> The Brothers WISP >>>> From: "Josh Reynolds" < [email protected] > >>>> To: [email protected] >>>> Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 9:10:04 AM >>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA Members] Who will have AF-11X First? >>>> If they were really that out of touch given the context of the world >>>> market, >>>> they wouldn't have product lines doubling in net revenue quarter over >>>> quarter. >>>> On Nov 19, 2016 7:27 AM, "Mike Hammett" < [email protected] > wrote: >>>>> Yeah, but they have a fundamental problem. Company-wide they are out of >>>>> touch >>>>> with their customers and what they need as well as what the rest of the >>>>> market >>>>> offers. >>>>> Examples: >>>>> Still no SFPs on radios. >>>>> AF11 has a channel width from the 2000s. >>>>> AF11 isn't nearly as spectrally efficient as they think it is. >>>>> ----- >>>>> Mike Hammett >>>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions >>>>> Midwest Internet Exchange >>>>> The Brothers WISP >>>>> From: "Josh Reynolds" < [email protected] > >>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>> Sent: Friday, November 18, 2016 10:14:45 PM >>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA Members] Who will have AF-11X First? >>>>> I know of a company that already has 8 links deployed that they replaced >>>>> existing radios with. >>>>> They built their own radio core. (Second time for UBNT, if you count >>>>> Invictus >>>>> core and then this one... Not counting the ones they made before UBNT.) >>>>> You underestimate them a lot. They're making more money across the board >>>>> and >>>>> investing even more money in R&D and labor than they ever have. The past >>>>> few >>>>> years they've made major internal changes, and things are just now >>>>> starting to >>>>> bare fruit from those decisions. >>>>> They also have a huge cash reserve, and it wouldn't surprise me at all >>>>> for them >>>>> to start making acquisitions if they choose to. >>>>> On Nov 18, 2016 9:50 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" < >>>>> [email protected] > >>>>> wrote: >>>>>> this isnt my usual asshole distrust of UBNT, I know UBNT chuck is behind >>>>>> it, so >>>>>> its solid gear, but are people really ready to put their faith in the >>>>>> limited >>>>>> and $ spectrum on UBNT? >>>>>> On Fri, Nov 18, 2016 at 6:18 PM, Josh Reynolds < [email protected] > >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> They are designing for a lot of different mounting options, but they >>>>>>> have to hit >>>>>>> the ones that are the easiest sells out the gate. >>>>>>> Stay tuned. >>>>>>> On Nov 18, 2016 5:44 PM, "George Skorup" < [email protected] > wrote: >>>>>>>> We have RadioWaves HP2 and HP3s' in a couple flavors. HPx-11R, Remec >>>>>>>> round for >>>>>>>> Trango ApexPlus and HPx-11EX, for Exalt G2. Then we have Trango >>>>>>>> AD11G2-S2's and >>>>>>>> 3-S2's for ApexPlus, Remec round. So obviously we wouldn't be able to >>>>>>>> do the >>>>>>>> feedhorn swap on those. >>>>>>>> The RadioWaves 11EX are single-pol only, so those would need the >>>>>>>> feedhorn >>>>>>>> swapped. But the 11R is where it makes sense for the Remec adapter >>>>>>>> plate, >>>>>>>> especially in the case of the Trango dishes. >>>>>>>> So for me it would come down to $250-300? for the adapter plate vs >>>>>>>> $400? for a >>>>>>>> new RW feedhorn vs $1k for a whole new dish. >>>>>>>> This would probably be half as difficult if UBNT would've designed for >>>>>>>> waveguide, IMO. >>>>>>>> On 11/18/2016 2:13 PM, Brad Belton wrote: >>>>>>>>> Right, I see the RadioWaves DP N-Type feed, but we�re >>>>>>>>> looking/hoping someone >>>>>>>>> comes out with a REMEC round to DP N-Type adapter.� >>>>>>>>> � >>>>>>>>> Quicker, cheaper than replacing the feed horn and could be used on >>>>>>>>> any antenna >>>>>>>>> with a REMEC round feed horn�not just a RadioWaves antenna. >>>>>>>>> � >>>>>>>>> Brad >>>>>>>>> � >>>>>>>>> From: [email protected] [ mailto:[email protected] ] >>>>>>>>> On Behalf >>>>>>>>> Of Mike Hammett >>>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, November 18, 2016 2:08 PM >>>>>>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA Members] Who will have AF-11X First? >>>>>>>>> � >>>>>>>>> Non-UBNT licensed dish to N connectors and radio mount. >>>>>>>>> ----- >>>>>>>>> Mike Hammett >>>>>>>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions >>>>>>>>> Midwest Internet Exchange >>>>>>>>> The Brothers WISP >>>>>>>>> From: "Brad Belton" < [email protected] > >>>>>>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, November 18, 2016 2:06:47 PM >>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA Members] Who will have AF-11X First? >>>>>>>>> So, what are we looking for?� SFP port? >>>>>>>>> � >>>>>>>>> I don�t see any REMEC round to dual polarity N-Type adapters in your >>>>>>>>> pictures!� <grin> >>>>>>>>> � >>>>>>>>> Brad >>>>>>>>> � >>>>>>>>> From: [email protected] [ mailto:[email protected] ] >>>>>>>>> On Behalf >>>>>>>>> Of Mike Hammett >>>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, November 18, 2016 2:02 PM >>>>>>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA Members] Who will have AF-11X First? >>>>>>>>> � >>>>>>>>> https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp/photos/a.997555730369879.1073741834.186874744771319/997557797036339/?type=3&theater >>>>>>>>> ----- >>>>>>>>> Mike Hammett >>>>>>>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions >>>>>>>>> Midwest Internet Exchange >>>>>>>>> The Brothers WISP >>>>>>>>> From: "Brad Belton" < [email protected] > >>>>>>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, November 18, 2016 10:09:25 AM >>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA Members] Who will have AF-11X First? >>>>>>>>> You'll need to order a new feed horn for your RadioWaves antenna. >>>>>>>>> �I don't >>>>>>>>> have the SKUs yet, but I'm hearing they might be shipping by end of >>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>> month or early next. �They are basically a standard dual polarity >>>>>>>>> N-Type >>>>>>>>> feed horn except the feed horn "kit" also comes with a UBNT specific >>>>>>>>> mounting bracket for the radio. >>>>>>>>> I wish there was a REMEC round to dual polarity N-Type adapter >>>>>>>>> available. >>>>>>>>> Sure would be easier than a feed horn swap...and likely less >>>>>>>>> expensive too. >>>>>>>>> I've got a call into Pasternack to see if such an adapter is even >>>>>>>>> feasible. >>>>>>>>> I'm thinking it is, but would depend on demand. >>>>>>>>> Brad >>>>>>>>> � >>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>>> From: [email protected] [ mailto:[email protected] ] >>>>>>>>> On Behalf >>>>>>>>> Of Keefe John >>>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, November 18, 2016 9:59 AM >>>>>>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA Members] Who will have AF-11X First? >>>>>>>>> What was on the dish you had before? �Can I make these work on a a >>>>>>>>> Radiowaves Dragonwave dish? >>>>>>>>> On 11/17/2016 8:54 PM, Brad Belton wrote: >>>>>>>>> > DoubleRadius should have them. �Our AF-11X order filled, but >>>>>>>>> > waiting on >>>>>>>>> new >>>>>>>>> > RadioWaves dual polarity feed horns before they can be put to use. >>>>>>>>> > Brad >>>>>>>>> > -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>>> > From: [email protected] [ mailto:[email protected] >>>>>>>>> > ] On >>>>>>>>> Behalf >>>>>>>>> > Of Keefe John >>>>>>>>> > Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2016 7:17 PM >>>>>>>>> > To: [email protected] >>>>>>>>> > Subject: [WISPA Members] Who will have AF-11X First? >>>>>>>>> > Which distributors will have AF-11X first? �Does anyone have ETAs? >>>>>>>>> > Keefe >>>>>>>>> > _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>> > Members mailing list >>>>>>>>> > [email protected] >>>>>>>>> > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/members >>>>>>>>> > _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>> > Members mailing list >>>>>>>>> > [email protected] >>>>>>>>> > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/members >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>> Members mailing list >>>>>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>>>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/members >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>> Members mailing list >>>>>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>>>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/members >>>>>>>>> � >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>> Members mailing list >>>>>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>>>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/members >>>>>>>>> � >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>> Members mailing list [email protected] >>>>>>>>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/members >>>>>> -- >>>>>> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team >>>>>> as part >>>>>> of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
