Quick way to make hydrogen is to put some foil in a water solution of sodium hydroxide (lye) drain cleaner. Cheap, easy, makes lots of gas, fizzes and gets hot too.
From: That One Guy /sarcasm Sent: Sunday, December 4, 2016 8:12 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 1000hp, 1,200mile range truck - hydrogen In Jr high I needed hydrogen for a plant experiment I was doing, the electrolysis method was too slow so I used zinc oxide from non alkaline AA batteries. Is zinc still a thing in battery production? That could be a good secondary market for battery recyclers. I used hydrocloric acid because i had it, but sulfuric would have been more efficient, so the sla recycling could be combined with the other battery recycling to generate hydrogen. my method created a shit ton of toxic byproduct I had to disappear, but i assume that could be addressed at scale On Sun, Dec 4, 2016 at 9:04 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm <[email protected]> wrote: Interesting perspective I can see the cord cutting component of consumer demand putting it on the purchased service from a provider, but I just cant wrap my head around government rebates on "green" tech being a component of pure capitalism since it demands that unwilling participants kick into the kitty for individuals to gain benefits, that sounds more socialist, even if it only benefits those wealthy enough to buy green tech On Sun, Dec 4, 2016 at 8:26 PM, Josh Reynolds <[email protected]> wrote: "just like cord cutting, and all the newest bestest greenest, efficientest, its always on somebody elses back" - capitalism Although you could replace from cord cutting to efficientest with "everything" and it would be "samesies" On Dec 4, 2016 5:53 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" <[email protected]> wrote: capitalism has no mandate to offset others costs through forcible taxation that im aware. unless we are talking about the exchange of responsibilities via voluntary taxation of mileage in exchange for access to group resources like federal taxes. still not sure id call that strict capitalism On Sun, Dec 4, 2016 at 5:26 PM, Josh Reynolds <[email protected]> wrote: You realize what you just described in the strictest sense is called capitalism, right? On Dec 4, 2016 3:41 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" <[email protected]> wrote: just like cord cutting, and all the newest bestest greenest, efficientest, its always on somebody elses back. if its regulation you want, its regulation you get...to get any, even a single penny, subsidy for "green tech, youre required to come to the dmv twice a yer for an odometer reading and tax form for you to pay your taxes. your vehicle has a huge environmental liability with the batteries (this should make the climate changers cream) so if you dont register a sale of the electric car, and dont get your odometer read, then you just get an annual tax bill for 250,000 miles On Sun, Dec 4, 2016 at 1:05 PM, Brian Webster <[email protected]> wrote: Imagine the motorhome also having a solar powered hydrogen fuel cell to either make the hydrogen or have enough power to recharge the batteries. Depending on how far you can go just on batteries and how long it takes to recharge on solar, you could pace your travels to be darn near free driving. The one thing that governments are starting to struggle with now is the road taxes that are technically owed. Right now they collect it as the gas/fuel pump for every gallon of fuel you purchase. I know in NY state technically if you own an electric car you are supposed to calculate your mileage driven on electric and then enter that on your tax return to calculate how much you owe in road taxes that you did not pay at a gas pump. I am sure that is honestly reported by citizens just like they are supposed to report all of their on line purchases that did not have NY state sales taxes collected....... Thank You, Brian Webster www.wirelessmapping.com www.Broadband-Mapping.com -----Original Message----- From: Af [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Robert Andrews Sent: Friday, December 02, 2016 6:39 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 1000hp, 1,200mile range truck - hydrogen This is what I want for a motor home, along with autopilot a la tesla... The easiest way to see north america as possible... On 12/02/2016 03:35 PM, George Skorup wrote: > I would really like to see passenger vehicles and small trucks go > hybrid hydrogen/electric. Even better would be an any-fuel hybrid electric. > Hydrogen, propane or NG and a regular gas tank for reserve. Either > that, or a gas turbine like an M1 Abrams that can burn anything, but > it would obviously need to get better fuel economy than 5 gallons per mile. > > On 12/2/2016 4:49 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote: >> >> Nikola Motor Company reveals hydrogen fuel cell truck with range of >> 1,200 miles - >> http://arstechnica.co.uk/cars/2016/12/nikola-hydrogen-fuel-cell-truck >> / >> > -- If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team. -- If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team. -- If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team. -- If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
