Did UTOPIA sell dark fiber? I thought they only did bitstream access. 

Jared

> Chuck McCown wrote:
>
> UTOPIA didn't exactly set the world on fire down here.
> 
> -----Original Message----- 
> From: Travis Johnson
> Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2017 3:58 PM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these
> 
> The dark fiber loop in my city (Idaho Falls, Idaho) works extremely well
> for the entire city. There are many providers, even private companies,
> that lease a dark fiber pair and pay the city a monthly rate.
> 
> Travis
> 
> 
> On 2/1/2017 3:40 PM, [email protected] wrote:
> > Chuck McCown wrote:
> >> Who owns the dark fiber network?
> >> Government - we all know how good they are at doing things like this.
> >    Others manage. See for example Stokab owned by the city of Stockholm in 
> > Sweden.
> >
> >> Private - so we create good old Ma Bell all over again?
> >    First, it does not have to be a single private company.
> >
> >    Second, the owner being a private company need not be a problem. 
> > Non-discriminatory access to everybody, at set rates with prohibitions 
> > against cross-ownership and the offering of retail services. See examples 
> > from other industries with wholesale infrastructure providers and 
> > structural separation in the telecom industry.
> >
> >    Third, there's a pretty big difference between recreating Ma Bell and 
> > creating a (regional) dark fiber company that does nothing else than rent 
> > dark fiber.
> >
> >> Existing carriers forced to open their networks?  OK if you like the 
> >> Venezuela solution to things.
> >    My proposal does not require existing carriers to open up their 
> > networks.
> >
> >> New networks built by low bidder defense contractor?  Great, replication 
> >> and tax bite too.
> >    Where did this come from? I said nothing about defense contractors or 
> > tax financing.
> >
> >
> > Jared
> >
> 
> 

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