We need a like button for this. Thank you, Brett A Mansfield
> On Feb 23, 2017, at 12:54 PM, Chuck McCown <[email protected]> wrote: > > There are national fire codes that most jurisdictions adopt. > Same as the NEC etc. > > Irrespective of actual ordinances, the alarm companies are the ones setting > the standards if no one else is. I have been on both sides of this arguments > when doing installs. If I am the regulated ILEC I raise holy hell if they > don’t want my line. If I am the unregulated wisp or FTTH provider I raise > holy hell in defying them to prove that my ATA or ONT is not good enough and > that their pots comes from the equivalent technology out in that box along > the highway. > > I am flexible. > > > > From: Faisal Imtiaz > Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2017 12:49 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Elevator phone lines > > Chuck, > > I have to disagree with you on part of your statement.... > > Local ordinances vary from region to region.... > > Fire Alarms ....... are very particular, and require TWO POTS phone lines > (at least in our region)... nothing else is acceptable > > Elevators ... no such requirement... the Emergency phone is typically auto > call to the Maint Company.. most places do not have any specified > requirements other than ... it needs a phone line..... (it is not a free dial > phone, you cannot call 911 on it for example... ) > > I cannot speak for bank vaults :) > > Regards. > > Faisal Imtiaz > Snappy Internet & Telecom > 7266 SW 48 Street > Miami, FL 33155 > Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 > > Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: [email protected] > > From: "Chuck McCown" <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2017 11:46:40 AM > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Elevator phone lines > Fire codes require them for elevators and bank vaults and most alarm > companies want them too. Especially for the fire alarm panel. > > Does not require power, it is arguably the most reliable phone line you can > get, especially if it comes directly from the central office. But even if > coming from a DLC it will still be up 8 hours after the power goes out. I > understand why code requires it, and I somewhat agree. VOIP, ATA, WISP even > FTTH ONT circuits will not be as reliable. > > From: Adam Moffett > Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2017 8:51 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Elevator phone lines > > Yes, check local ordinances. > Here it's not specifically an analog POTS line, but the line and anything it > relies on (PBX, etc) has to operate without external power for some number of > hours. > > I would argue that a POTS line *is* the best way. Yes an ATA and a UPS meet > the letter of the law, but who is checking the battery on the UPS? Who > reboots the ATA if it's locked up? etc. The POTS line has no components > outside of the CO, and the CO is maintained by the LEC. > > Not that I don't want you to sell another VoIP line, but do *you* want to be > the one getting in trouble if someone is stuck in the elevator and can't call > for help? > > > ------ Original Message ------ > From: "Faisal Imtiaz" <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: 2/23/2017 9:40:04 AM > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Elevator phone lines > > Need to check with your local ordinances... > > In many places, folks are under a mis-impression that a hard line is > required... (they confuse it with a dedicated line) > > We have clients that have voip phone line for the elevator. (using an ATA). > > Regards. > > Faisal Imtiaz > Snappy Internet & Telecom > 7266 SW 48 Street > Miami, FL 33155 > Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 > > Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: [email protected] > > From: "Dave" <[email protected]> > To: "Animal Farm" <[email protected]> > Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2017 9:27:28 AM > Subject: [AFMUG] Elevator phone lines > Someone needs to reach out to the yahoos concerned with elevators that HAVE > TO HAVE a quote "Hardline". > I think we are in the 21st century and hard-lines I would think are about > gone. > A company in town here had an issue getting a hardline from ATT for their > elevator. They paid out the waazoo to get one just > to satisfy safety requirements on the elevator... wTF. > A reliable internet service would satisfy this I am sure with certain caveats > in place IE UPS Backup when power fails for demarc in the building. > > > -- > >
