Repair cost is no factor. The outage and the immediate TODO is expensive. God 
sake we did not consider toughswitches …





Von: Af [mailto:[email protected]] Im Auftrag von Jon Langeler
Gesendet: Samstag, 25. März 2017 22:02
An: [email protected]
Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] Fw: Netonix



Go look at the prices they charge for these. They are very reasonable. We've 
had hit and miss luck with Toughswitches. I'm thankful we have a 'real' switch 
to use now...

Jon Langeler

Michwave Technologies, Inc.




On Mar 25, 2017, at 10:31 AM, Mitch Koep <[email protected] 
<mailto:[email protected]> > wrote:

I would agree.... so why do we pay to fix or to add

additional equipment to modify?

I guess I will hold off from anymore Netonix.



Mitch

On 03/25/2017 09:27 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:

I would say yes.



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From: "Mitch Koep"  <mailto:[email protected]> <[email protected]>
To: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2017 9:23:08 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fw: Netonix

Is this a design error that Netonix needs to correct?


> What is the lesser of two problems.  Leaving a lot of expensive stuff
> unprotected or risk replacing a Netonix switch?
>
> Chuck McCown wrote:
>> I would not put any surge protection on Netonix period, top or
>> bottom.  If it is POE and powered by a passive source you run a risk
>> of smoking it with any surge suppressor.
>> I have two devices designed, one is an ancillary fuse to put inline
>> with Netonix.  The second is adding fusing to my surge protectors if
>> I can fit it in.  The external in line fuse product is ready for
>> prototyping.
>> *From:* David Coudron
>> *Sent:* Saturday, March 25, 2017 7:35 AM
>> *To:* [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Fw: Netonix
>>
>> We are also very interested in this topic.   We will be building out
>> 10 new towers in the next few months, and will be making the change
>> to Netonix switches (we had previously used a different type of
>> switch).  I the past we had put Transtector surge protectors on the
>> tower top and in the cabinet on the ground. From what you are saying
>> in thread, we should not plan on surge protectors in the cabinet, but
>> what is the recommended change for the tower top, if any?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> *David Coudron*
>>
>> [email protected]|*Mobile 
>> <mailto:[email protected]|*Mobile> : *612-991-7474
>>
>> *Advantenon, Inc.
>> *cid:[email protected] 
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>>  <http://www.twitter.com/Advantenon> 
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>> <http://blog.advantenon.com/> <http://blog.advantenon.com/>
>>
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>> N, Suite 315, Plymouth, MN
>> 55447|www.advantenon.com <http://www.advantenon.com>  
>> <http://www.advantenon.com/> 
>> <http://www.advantenon.com/>|*Phone:*800-704-4720|*Local:
>> *612-454-1545
>>
>> *From:*Af [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown
>> *Sent:* Saturday, March 25, 2017 8:29 AM
>> *To:* [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Fw: Netonix
>>
>> If an impulse comes along and the surge suppressor clamps to ground,
>> you run the risk of smoking the Netonix POE transformer.  It will not
>> protect itself against shorts.
>>
>> *From:*Josh Baird
>>
>> *Sent:*Saturday, March 25, 2017 7:23 AM
>>
>> *To:*[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
>>
>> *Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] Fw: Netonix
>>
>> What exactly is the reason?  We always run through your surge
>> protectors before connecting to Netonix.
>>
>>
>> On Mar 25, 2017, at 9:15 AM, Chuck McCown  <mailto:[email protected]> 
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>     Bypass ALL surge suppressors that are connected to Netonix,
>>     irrespective of manufacturer.
>>
>>     *From:*[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
>>
>>     *Sent:*Saturday, March 25, 2017 5:41 AM
>>
>>     *To:*[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
>>
>>     *Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] Fw: Netonix
>>
>>     So we should now bypass all our APC-type surge suppressors that
>>     are connected to Netonix?
>>
>>     On Fri, Mar 24, 2017 at 11:26 PM, Chuck McCown  <mailto:[email protected]> 
>> <[email protected]>
>>     wrote:
>>
>>         I am going to fix this little problem...
>>
>>         Netonix will fix your port for something like $25
>>
>>         *From:*Bill Prince
>>
>>         *Sent:*Friday, March 24, 2017 8:56 PM
>>
>>         *To:*[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
>>
>>         *Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] Fw: Netonix
>>
>>         Yeah. We accidentally hooked up an AF24 through a Cambium
>>         surge suppressor, and it fragged the port on the Netonix. We
>>         were swapping from something else that had been on the cable,
>>         and completely forgot that it was going through that surge
>>         suppressor. Hard lesson learned.
>>
>>         bp
>>
>>         <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
>>
>>
>>         On 3/24/2017 1:27 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>>
>>             OK, had an exchange with Netonix today.  It is just as
>>             Matt Hoppes said. You short out their POE and it will blow
>>             the Ethernet transformer.
>>
>>             I really presumed they had circuitry like Forrest that
>>             could detect and shut down in an over current situation.
>>             They do have poly fuses which are slow to react and may
>>             protect it from a very brief short, but longer shorts will
>>             indeed harm the port feeding the transformer.
>>
>>             So, Netonix is not active POE.  I would say that on
>>             passive POE a plain surge suppressor should not be used.
>>             I am working some “non plain” surge suppressors now....
>>             ;-) Stay tuned to this bat channel and a big thanks to
>>             Matt for forcing me to learn something new.  It was
>>             painful, but I can do painful things when I have to.
>>
>>             *From:*Chuck McCown
>>
>>             *Sent:*Friday, March 24, 2017 10:01 AM
>>
>>             *To:*[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
>>
>>             *Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] Netonix
>>
>>             tnx
>>
>>             *From:*Josh Luthman
>>
>>             *Sent:*Friday, March 24, 2017 9:47 AM
>>
>>             *To:*[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
>>
>>             *Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] Netonix
>>
>>             chris.sisler
>>
>>             ( A )
>>
>>             netlinx.net <http://netlinx.net>   <http://netlinx.net> 
>> <http://netlinx.net>
>>
>>             Josh Luthman
>>             Office: 937-552-2340 <tel:%28937%29%20552-2340>
>>             Direct: 937-552-2343 <tel:%28937%29%20552-2343>
>>             1100 Wayne St
>>             Suite 1337
>>             Troy, OH 45373
>>
>>             On Fri, Mar 24, 2017 at 11:45 AM, Chuck McCown
>>              <mailto:[email protected]> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>                 Anyone know the email for the guy that runs Netonix?
>>
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