All antenna designs scale. Things are just much smaller at this frequency.
From: Joe Novak
Sent: Monday, May 08, 2017 7:39 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 60Ghz PtMP, Why Doesn't Everyone Have It?
I have read that building a 60ghz antenna is a whole new ball game of
complicated compared to other bands. Until recently 60ghz antennas where built
SOC style, directly on the PCB of the board next to or on the radio itself. I
believe this may actually still be the case. Ignitenet's design is based on
this smartly utilizing some tricks in the 'feed horn' of the radio from what I
recall. I can't find the articles I was reading of course, but it came up when
people had taken apart the Ignitenet radio and saw the usb dongle that was
used, however, for cost effective 60ghz I'm not sure what else exists for the
market.
On Mon, May 8, 2017 at 7:44 PM, Jason McKemie
<j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
The power taps are what would kill anything but a very dense deployment.
Anything less and you'd be better off just running fiber.
On Monday, May 8, 2017, Mathew Howard <mhoward...@gmail.com> wrote:
I think the 30 degree sector Ignitenet has is something like 18dbi, vs
25dbi for their bigger directional... I tried to get a pair of Metrolinqs to
work at just under a mile (which should theoretically work), but I never could
get them to link. I tested at about half that distance and it worked fine... I
don't remember what the signal was, but I thought at the time that it would
probably link with 17dbi less antenna. Even so, 1000' should be workable, which
still has a lot of potential. I've been toying with the idea of putting them on
street lights - I'm thinking you could do something like one 30 degree sector
at the end of each street and cover a block or two.
Heck, even if you only figured 500'-1000', you could build a network pretty
cheaply using street lights.
Of course it is only going to be useful in pretty specific areas... at the
majority of our towers 60ghz is going to be completely worthless, but I can
certainly find places where it would work.
On Mon, May 8, 2017 at 4:43 PM, Eric Kuhnke <eric.kuh...@gmail.com> wrote:
Even if it existed 2000 ft is wildly optimistic. 60 GHz works at 600
meters (just about 2000 ft for you Americans) between two PTP dishes because
you have 44-45dBi gain dishes on both ends. Would not be the case with any sort
of 60 GHz sector antenna, you'd be looking at much less gain.
On Mon, May 8, 2017 at 2:39 PM, Bill Prince <part15...@gmail.com> wrote:
Very location specific. None of our towers would be able to serve
anyone with that kind of range.
bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
On 5/8/2017 2:15 PM, Mathew Howard wrote:
Indeed... don't underestimate what can be done with a 2000' range. I
can probably cover a hundred houses with that from the tower next to where I'm
sitting.
On Mon, May 8, 2017 at 3:37 PM, Gino A. Villarini
<g...@aeronetpr.com> wrote:
I concur
From: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com> on behalf of Sterling Jacobson
<sterl...@avative.net>
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com>
Date: Monday, May 8, 2017 at 4:31 PM
To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 60Ghz PtMP, Why Doesn't Everyone Have It?
Lots.
Lots of places.
I’ve got, and can get fiber up main roads in neighborhoods very
easily.
What costs me is the last mile backbone that winds across streets
and through ROW in front of houses etc.
That is the majority of my costs right there.
If I can get in with ‘normal’ wireless pricing per AP/CPE but at
1000Mbps I can do the hybrid model easily at much less costs.
It will be amazing for potential customers at the moment.
Might not hold up over time as bandwidth needs increase, but
provides an immediate solution at a fraction of the cost of fiber, with the
‘feel’ of fiber.
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Colin Stanners
Sent: Monday, May 8, 2017 2:29 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 60Ghz PtMP, Why Doesn't Everyone Have It?
How many places do you want to install a PtMP system that goes a
maximum of 1000-2000ft distance, that fiber does not work?
Gino A. Villarini
President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
On Mon, May 8, 2017 at 3:05 PM, Sterling Jacobson
<sterl...@avative.net> wrote:
What am I missing here?
Can't Cambium and UBNT and others simply overlay the same radio
architecture/software they have developed over a decade, on top of a 60GHz
radio instead of 5Ghz?
Is there some fundamental problem with using the same PHY later
protocols on 60GHz vs 5GHz?
