https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Co-fired_ceramic
Is what we use now. Specifically the LTCC variety.
There's pros and cons. It is possible to use something like Teflon like you
said and we started there but now prefer ceramics.
Hal
On Tue, May 9, 2017 at 3:56 PM Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
> That is for certain, gotta use exotic substrates. Not sure even teflon is
> good at that freq.
>
> *From:* Harold Bledsoe
> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 09, 2017 1:37 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 60Ghz PtMP, Why Doesn't Everyone Have It?
> Yep and also the materials matter a lot. No FR4 for these babies...
> On Tue, May 9, 2017 at 10:59 AM Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>
>> All antenna designs scale. Things are just much smaller at this
>> frequency.
>>
>> *From:* Joe Novak
>> *Sent:* Monday, May 08, 2017 7:39 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 60Ghz PtMP, Why Doesn't Everyone Have It?
>> I have read that building a 60ghz antenna is a whole new ball game of
>> complicated compared to other bands. Until recently 60ghz antennas where
>> built SOC style, directly on the PCB of the board next to or on the radio
>> itself. I believe this may actually still be the case. Ignitenet's design
>> is based on this smartly utilizing some tricks in the 'feed horn' of the
>> radio from what I recall. I can't find the articles I was reading of
>> course, but it came up when people had taken apart the Ignitenet radio and
>> saw the usb dongle that was used, however, for cost effective 60ghz I'm not
>> sure what else exists for the market.
>> On Mon, May 8, 2017 at 7:44 PM, Jason McKemie <
>> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>>
>>> The power taps are what would kill anything but a very dense deployment.
>>> Anything less and you'd be better off just running fiber.
>>
>>
>>>
>>> On Monday, May 8, 2017, Mathew Howard <mhoward...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>> I think the 30 degree sector Ignitenet has is something like 18dbi, vs
>>>> 25dbi for their bigger directional... I tried to get a pair of Metrolinqs
>>>> to work at just under a mile (which should theoretically work), but I never
>>>> could get them to link. I tested at about half that distance and it worked
>>>> fine... I don't remember what the signal was, but I thought at the time
>>>> that it would probably link with 17dbi less antenna. Even so, 1000' should
>>>> be workable, which still has a lot of potential. I've been toying with the
>>>> idea of putting them on street lights - I'm thinking you could do something
>>>> like one 30 degree sector at the end of each street and cover a block or
>>>> two.
>>>>
>>>> Heck, even if you only figured 500'-1000', you could build a network
>>>> pretty cheaply using street lights.
>>>>
>>>> Of course it is only going to be useful in pretty specific areas... at
>>>> the majority of our towers 60ghz is going to be completely worthless, but I
>>>> can certainly find places where it would work.
>>>>
>>> On Mon, May 8, 2017 at 4:43 PM, Eric Kuhnke <eric.kuh...@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>> Even if it existed 2000 ft is wildly optimistic. 60 GHz works at 600
>>>>> meters (just about 2000 ft for you Americans) between two PTP dishes
>>>>> because you have 44-45dBi gain dishes on both ends. Would not be the case
>>>>> with any sort of 60 GHz sector antenna, you'd be looking at much less
>>>>> gain.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, May 8, 2017 at 2:39 PM, Bill Prince <part15...@gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Very location specific. None of our towers would be able to serve
>>>>>> anyone with that kind of range.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> bp
>>>>>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 5/8/2017 2:15 PM, Mathew Howard wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Indeed... don't underestimate what can be done with a 2000' range. I
>>>>>> can probably cover a hundred houses with that from the tower next to
>>>>>> where
>>>>>> I'm sitting.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, May 8, 2017 at 3:37 PM, Gino A. Villarini <g...@aeronetpr.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I concur
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> From: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com> on behalf of Sterling Jacobson <
>>>>>>> sterl...@avative.net>
>>>>>>> Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com>
>>>>>>> Date: Monday, May 8, 2017 at 4:31 PM
>>>>>>> To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com>
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 60Ghz PtMP, Why Doesn't Everyone Have It?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Lots.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Lots of places.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I’ve got, and can get fiber up main roads in neighborhoods very
>>>>>>> easily.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What costs me is the last mile backbone that winds across streets
>>>>>>> and through ROW in front of houses etc.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That is the majority of my costs right there.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If I can get in with ‘normal’ wireless pricing per AP/CPE but at
>>>>>>> 1000Mbps I can do the hybrid model easily at much less costs.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It will be amazing for potential customers at the moment.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Might not hold up over time as bandwidth needs increase, but
>>>>>>> provides an immediate solution at a fraction of the cost of fiber, with
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> ‘feel’ of fiber.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Colin
>>>>>>> Stanners
>>>>>>> *Sent:* Monday, May 8, 2017 2:29 PM
>>>>>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 60Ghz PtMP, Why Doesn't Everyone Have It?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> How many places do you want to install a PtMP system that goes a
>>>>>>> maximum of 1000-2000ft distance, that fiber does not work?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *Gino A. Villarini*
>>>>>>> President
>>>>>>> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Mon, May 8, 2017 at 3:05 PM, Sterling Jacobson <
>>>>>>> sterl...@avative.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What am I missing here?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Can't Cambium and UBNT and others simply overlay the same radio
>>>>>>> architecture/software they have developed over a decade, on top of a
>>>>>>> 60GHz
>>>>>>> radio instead of 5Ghz?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Is there some fundamental problem with using the same PHY later
>>>>>>> protocols on 60GHz vs 5GHz?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> --
>
> Harold Bledsoe
>
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