Just to be clear, the 500lbs thing on the man-lift was a joke. Probably should have phrased it better. With 2 guys, you are already at 350-450lbs and even a 120’ or larger would only give you 100lbs to work with above 80’.
We have a tower company we work and I haven’t discussed it with them yet. That being said, having a man-lift for working with the mounting hardware and doing the alignment looks like it would save a significant amount of time. Having never hung an 8’ dish, or a 16’ dish (that was funny), it’s new territory. We may find that logistically and financially, 6’ on the tower side makes more sense and I’ll put the 8’ on the roof side or maybe something smaller. I do like the idea of a smaller dish haven’t spatial diversity. In that sense, I know from testing that putting up dual single-polarity antennas separated by a few feet, definitely improves NLOS performance. Not sure I want to go to all that trouble here though, unless I found some insane 2.4GHz 8’ parabolic dish deal that I can’t pass up. Lot of tower work to do that or I’m paying for more tower space. This tower we are going on can easily handle the 8’ dish. This has been an interesting discussion, no doubt. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 2:38 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Does anyone have a 28-34dBi 2.4GHz 2x2 MIMO antenna Seriously, I wonder what the market would be if I put a 4.5” pipe on my 60” slope mount. From: Chuck McCown Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 3:35 PM To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Does anyone have a 28-34dBi 2.4GHz 2x2 MIMO antenna It will work, for a while... From: Eric Kuhnke Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 3:27 PM To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Does anyone have a 28-34dBi 2.4GHz 2x2 MIMO antenna Chuck, looks great for smaller stuff and tapering towers. But I seriously hope you are not recommending mounting an 8' dish on a 2.5" pipe (item #1 in your PDF's BOM). Every 6' and 8' dish I've ever seen in person needs a 4.50" OD pipe. On Tue, May 16, 2017 at 2:20 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com<mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote: Or if you want the really good stuff: http://www.mccowntech.com/product_images/import/M-TOW-SM60.PDF From: Eric Kuhnke Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 3:15 PM To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Does anyone have a 28-34dBi 2.4GHz 2x2 MIMO antenna Yeah, the strut and attachment hardware for it are also going to be at least 75 to 85 lbs together. Some examples of what I'm talking about, before adding the stiff-arm strut: http://sitepro1.com/resources/pdf/assembly-drawings/TAP-472%20(Assembly).pdf (240 lbs) http://sitepro1.com/resources/pdf/assembly-drawings/UAS60%20(Assembly).pdf (158 lbs) http://sitepro1.com/resources/pdf/assembly-drawings/LPM3%20(Assembly).pdf (126 lbs) On Tue, May 16, 2017 at 2:13 PM, Jesse Dupont <jesse.dup...@celeritycorp.net<mailto:jesse.dup...@celeritycorp.net>> wrote: Don't forget to strut the edge of the dish back to the tower. ________________________________ From: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>> on behalf of Eric Kuhnke <eric.kuh...@gmail.com<mailto:eric.kuh...@gmail.com>> Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 3:11:35 PM To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Does anyone have a 28-34dBi 2.4GHz 2x2 MIMO antenna Now go to sitepro1.com<http://sitepro1.com>, find the tower steel section, and find a standoff mount suitable for a 4.50" OD sch80 galvanized pipe and the wind loading of an 8' dish... The pipe and mount are going to weigh 300 pounds guaranteed... You're not gonna mount a 8' dish direct to a tower, no matter what type it might be, tapering self supported with tubular legs, angle steel legs, or vertical guyed tower. On Tue, May 16, 2017 at 1:57 PM, Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net<mailto:af...@ics-il.net>> wrote: http://www.commscope.com/catalog/wireless/product_details.aspx?id=25986 276 lbs. That said, that's without radome. ----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions<http://www.ics-il.com/> Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> ________________________________ From: "Eric Kuhnke" <eric.kuh...@gmail.com> To: af@afmug.com Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 3:50:07 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Does anyone have a 28-34dBi 2.4GHz 2x2 MIMO antenna An 8' dish is way over 500 pounds. Do you have any idea how expensive it is to put an 8' dish on a tower??? And have you calculated if the tower can even take the new wind loading of an 8' dish at EIA/TIA 222G calculations for its exposure category? Weight aside the wind loading of an 8' dish is considerable. If you do end up hanging the thing from a man lift I want photos, because there are a few OSHA inspectors I would like to give nightmares to. On Tue, May 16, 2017 at 1:33 PM, Rory Conaway <r...@triadwireless.net> wrote: I’m going to use a man-lift assuming the antenna is under 500lbs. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mitch Koep Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 11:04 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Does anyone have a 28-34dBi 2.4GHz 2x2 MIMO antenna These are not real fun Especially over 170 feet pray for a calm day and a good crane operator Mitch On 05/16/2017 11:22 AM, Chuck McCown wrote: 16’ dish From: Mathew Howard Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 10:18 AM To: af Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Does anyone have a 28-34dBi 2.4GHz 2x2 MIMO antenna Yeah, but what if it doesn't work with the 8' dish? once you have some kind of a link in place, it's pretty easy to get a good idea of what's going to happen when you get bigger dishes on there. On Tue, May 16, 2017 at 11:08 AM, Rory Conaway <r...@triadwireless.net> wrote: The amount of revenue is high enough that the cost of the antenna isn’t an issue. It’s more important that the link work. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mathew Howard Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 9:04 AM To: af Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Does anyone have a 28-34dBi 2.4GHz 2x2 MIMO antenna Putting up an 8' dish without having any idea what it's going to do seems kind of risky - I'd assume that's not going to be cheap to put that up. I would want to put up some kind of a test link before I went there, even if it was just a pair of PowerBeams. On Tue, May 16, 2017 at 10:44 AM, Rory Conaway <r...@triadwireless.net> wrote: I ran the numbers in linkplanner. Too much tree variable for anything to be accurate. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Gino A. Villarini Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 8:36 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Does anyone have a 28-34dBi 2.4GHz 2x2 MIMO antenna Cambium LinkPlanner would help you get a good guess of your outcome, use the PTP 25600 Radio as a AF2 replacement in your calcs, add the foliage and voila! From: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com> on behalf of Rory Conaway <r...@triadwireless.net> Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com> Date: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 at 11:18 AM To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Does anyone have a 28-34dBi 2.4GHz 2x2 MIMO antenna Not in this case. If they won’t let me put a 1 or 2’ dish on the tower they run to get extra bandwidth to the school (7 T1’s for 300 kids) or the medical clinic (2 T-1’s), I’m thinking they aren’t going to let me cut down or trim a mile of trees. Everytime I proposed something I was answered with “we have a plan, just be patient”. Not really my strong suit. This plan involves towers but nobody knows who gets awarded or when. So, 2.4GHz through a mile of trees, here I come. I thought of the 2’ dish and see what happens but I don’t want to have to pay tower climbers so do this twice. I’m going to do the 8’ dish on the tower and 2’ dish on the roof. Once I see those numbers, I can make adjustments on the roof. Biggest issue is AF2 through trees. I’m thinking that I’m bringing up a pair of ePMP 2.4GHz radios also to compare. I’m also considering putting up a Cambium 450i 900MHz as backup with a Yagi. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 6:44 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Does anyone have a 28-34dBi 2.4GHz 2x2 MIMO antenna Actually, you would be surprised. I have asked them to remove trees in a microwave path before and they had no problem doing it. Gino A. Villarini President Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968 [cid:image001.png@01D2CE5B.AE88C370] From: Rory Conaway Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 9:15 PM To:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Does anyone have a 28-34dBi 2.4GHz 2x2 MIMO antenna I’d like to stay out of jail and I’m pretty sure the U.S. Forestry service frowns on that. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Eric Kuhnke Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 1:23 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Does anyone have a 28-34dBi 2.4GHz 2x2 MIMO antenna Have you considered the rigging/hoisting and mounting costs of 8' dishes, vs chainsaw or doing something more creative in dish location with 2.5'/3' size dishes to get real LOS? On Mon, May 15, 2017 at 6:23 AM, Rory Conaway <r...@triadwireless.net> wrote: I’ve got to punch through a mile of trees with AF2x radio so I’m probably going to for the 6’ or 8’ dishes. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Colin Stanners Sent: Sunday, May 14, 2017 7:05 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Does anyone have a 28-34dBi 2.4GHz 2x2 MIMO antenna Gain is never an exact number as it always varies over the covered frequency range and polarization, but from what I understand Ubiquiti overstates their gain by 2-3 db over the 'industry standard' measurements. Similar to how they say the AF24 can go up to 10miles, which is effectively bs, the max 99.99% availability reliable range is 3-4 miles almost anywhere on earth that a substantial number of those radios coild be installed. On May 14, 2017 8:44 PM, "Christopher Gray" <cg...@graytechsoftware.com> wrote: Gain is not quite as high as you are asking for, but L-Com goes up to a 900mm dish. I can't quite tell if UBNT over states their gain, L-Com understates their gain, or if there is another fundamental difference, but the L-Com 900mm dish is only rated at 25 dBi. I have not used it, but I've been happy with their 400mm unit. http://www.l-com.com/wireless-antenna-24-ghz-dual-polarized-dpd-series-parabolic-dish-antennas -Chris On Sun, May 14, 2017 at 5:22 PM, Eric Kuhnke <eric.kuh...@gmail.com> wrote: I have not seen one that is anywhere near reasonably priced and can be equipped with a (first party or third party) side shield/radome kit. The Radiowaves stuff exists but is a design from 15 years ago. Willing to bet the Radiowaves 3' and 4' size 2.4 GHz dishes are great at gathering unwanted 2.4 noise from the sides... On Sat, May 13, 2017 at 2:42 PM, Rory Conaway <r...@triadwireless.net> wrote: Looking for something bigger than the Ubiquiti RD-24 dish. Rory -- Mitch Koep A Better Wireless 218-851-8689 cell <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
