Been a few years since I used ePMP anything.  The UI used to be dreadfully 
slow.  

From: Dave 
Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2017 8:08 AM
To: [email protected] 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] extending fiber with RF

+1 



On 05/22/2017 03:22 PM, Adam Moffett wrote:

  The power requirement is going to limit you to wifi type stuff I think.

  ePMP in PTP mode.  You can get the itty bitty Force180 for $85 each and in 
PTP mode at that range you'll have somewhere near 200mbps aggregate.
  I'm sure there are half a dozen Ubiquiti things which will also suffice.  The 
example ePMP below is at a range of .559 mile.




   

  ------ Original Message ------
  From: "Chuck McCown" <[email protected]>
  To: [email protected]
  Sent: 5/22/2017 4:06:50 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] extending fiber with RF

    Too much power.  I don’t want to exceed 20 watts total.  So one end of a 
radio needs to be in the 5-7 watt range.  

    From: Bill Prince 
    Sent: Monday, May 22, 2017 2:04 PM
    To: [email protected] 
    Subject: Re: [AFMUG] extending fiber with RF

    Then do a 24 GHz system. That can go 2-1/2 miles with 5 nines. Low 
interference. Will eat around 50 watts at each end though.

bp
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On 5/22/2017 12:47 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

      Scared of new technology.  
      Seems a bit too long range for that freq.
      Worried about not enough time has elapsed to prove them out.  
      They sound expensive.
      Everybody knows 60 GHz is all absorbed by the oxygen anyhow...
      Not sure God would approve...

      You all the same normal reasons...

      From: Brett A Mansfield 
      Sent: Monday, May 22, 2017 1:44 PM
      To: [email protected] 
      Subject: Re: [AFMUG] extending fiber with RF

      For so little throughput a 5GHz setup would be the cheapest and probably 
best setup.

      What keeps you from being a believer of the 60GHz? I can show you the 
history of some of my Ignitenet links that may just change your mind.

      Thank you, 
      Brett A Mansfield

      On May 22, 2017, at 12:38 PM, Chuck McCown <[email protected]> wrote:


        Not a believer yet.  And we only need 100-250 Mbps max to the homes.  
Actually probably more like 50 or 100 Mbps.  
        Want it to be simple too.  ONT has multiple ethernet ports on it.  Just 
extend those physical layer 0/1 connections.  

        From: Cameron Crum 
        Sent: Monday, May 22, 2017 1:34 PM
        To: [email protected] 
        Subject: Re: [AFMUG] extending fiber with RF

        What about a couple of 60GHz links with a single 5GHz AP as a backup? 
We did this for a bank that needed to connect two buildings temporarily. Put a 
MT on either side that ran IPSEC tunnel over the link with a failover script to 
route traffic over the 5 GHz link if the 60 lost more than 50% of it's packets. 
The 5 GHz was slower, but they still had connectivity in the even of a heavy 
rain. 


        On Mon, May 22, 2017 at 2:28 PM, Chuck McCown <[email protected]> wrote:

          Still puzzling over how to get ethernet the last 3000 feet.  I have 
fiber to a point along a rural road.  The end is about 2000 feet from one home 
and 3000 feet from another.

          Was looking at using the existing copper with VDSL line extenders.  
That was what that week of math problems was all about.  I am starting to lean 
away from that solution because it is old copper.  I really want to stop using 
it.

          I don’t have a ROW that is legal.  The old copper technically is in 
trespass and the owner of the property is known to be a major PITA.  So not 
sure if I can get permission.  Even then, we are talking about 5000 feet of 
fiber to place.  There will be some money involved.

          Using wireless could be much cheaper.  Will have to do a solar 
install with the ONT and RF gear on a stub pole at the handhole.  

          Not sure what kid of RF.  Don’t want to use an AP because I need two 
layer 2 connections from the ONT.  Be more expensive to use an AP anyhow.  So 
two PTP systems.  Rock solid, never fail type of system.   Noise floor down 
there is probably pretty low.  
          I could use a pair of rockets etc.  Not wanting to lo-ball this, want 
it to be very solid.  

          What would you use?





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