I watch the new hires go through training at security firm where I do contract work. Some will never be able to defend themselves hand to hand, or with baton...they are trained with guns and have to pass that training or sayonara...I hope I am never working at camp when they have to use force. I want a personal force field, Chuck....rustle one up for me please in your lab
Jaime Solorza On Jul 20, 2017 5:10 PM, "Chuck McCown" <[email protected]> wrote: > When really angry or really scared, unless you have had some training on > dealing with the situation, you lose some of your sanity. I was a hostage > in a bank robbery once. I was so scared I remember thinking I would crawl > over my own kids to get away if I could. > > There was still a small part of my brain sane enough to form that > observation. That is the most scared I have ever been. I also remember > thinking "you have never truly been scared before, you might have though > you were scared but nothing compares with this". > > -----Original Message----- From: Robert > Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 5:04 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SOP Outside Crew Protection / Confrontation > Mitigation. > > It's about what happens in the instant. The red vision only lasted > less than a minute and by the time I got to the screen door it had > faded. BUT if I had the means to kill them in 2 seconds, it would have > happened. That's the difference between a gun and a knife. Specially > if I was then as proficient with a gun as I am now. I am also a lot > older, a lot more experienced and have seen death up close and personal. > Probably wouldn't have the same thing happen in the same scenario, > but YOU JUST DON"T KNOW.... > > On 07/20/2017 02:02 PM, George Skorup wrote: > >> OK, but what does a gun/guns have to do with that scenario? Could you >> have grabbed a knife or a baseball bat and went to town on one or both >> of them? Or how about bare hands? Absolutely yes. Murder is murder. Guns >> are not the problem. >> >> On 7/20/2017 1:38 PM, Robert wrote: >> >>> I came home early from a sailboat race when I was 36. We finished >>> early and I came home a day early and found my wife in my back yard >>> with another dude. That moment when I saw them my vision shrunk down >>> to a small red circle. Seriously I am not kidding, vision all red >>> with a 3 foot circle that I could see them in. I put my fist through >>> two coverings of sheet rock ( luckily missed the stud ) and let go a >>> truly primal scream that had them running from the backyard. I was >>> very lucky I wasn't carrying or I would have tested the laws of CA and >>> probably would be still in jail to this day. Temporary insanity is >>> real. I consider myself a darn rational, thinking man. But be >>> careful out there because there is an animal lurking in all of us. >>> Don't test the legal system unless you have very deep pockets, in >>> which case you will walk the streets without a problem. Judges are >>> fickle and the legal system is more so. >>> >>> On 07/20/2017 11:24 AM, George Skorup wrote: >>> >>>> Judged by 12 or carried by 6? I don't like either scenario at all, but >>>> I'll shoot a mf'r if there's no other option. >>>> >>>> On 7/20/2017 12:43 PM, [email protected] wrote: >>>> >>>>> Gun control is pretty political... >>>>> >>>>> Packing a weapon gives me options I am not sure I want myself to have. >>>>> >>>>> *From:* Faisal Imtiaz >>>>> *Sent:* Thursday, July 20, 2017 11:40 AM >>>>> *To:* [email protected] >>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] SOP Outside Crew Protection / Confrontation >>>>> Mitigation. >>>>> >>>>> LOL ! and I believe that is exactly what the Ground Crew did (with >>>>> making the video). >>>>> >>>>> And so you are in agreement that :- >>>>> "If you allow your crews to pack heat were they in the right to defend >>>>> themselves" >>>>> >>>>> Would not be the better, smarter or wiser way of dealing with such ! >>>>> >>>>> :) >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Faisal Imtiaz >>>>> Snappy Internet & Telecom >>>>> 7266 SW 48 Street >>>>> Miami, FL 33155 >>>>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 >>>>> >>>>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: [email protected] >>>>> >>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------ >>>>> ------------ >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> *From: *[email protected] >>>>> *To: *[email protected] >>>>> *Sent: *Thursday, July 20, 2017 12:06:01 PM >>>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] SOP Outside Crew Protection / Confrontation >>>>> Mitigation. >>>>> >>>>> Call cops. >>>>> Duck for cover. >>>>> Administer first aid if you can do so without getting killed. >>>>> >>>>> *From:* Faisal Imtiaz >>>>> *Sent:* Thursday, July 20, 2017 10:05 AM >>>>> *To:* [email protected] >>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] SOP Outside Crew Protection / Confrontation >>>>> Mitigation. >>>>> >>>>> Let's turn this into a productive conversation, with relevance... >>>>> >>>>> We all have crews working outside... so what should be the SOP for >>>>> them, under such circumstances ? >>>>> What type of training do we need to provide to assure everyone's >>>>> safety ? >>>>> What should be the reactions expected from the OSP Crew ? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Regards. >>>>> >>>>> Faisal Imtiaz >>>>> Snappy Internet & Telecom >>>>> 7266 SW 48 Street >>>>> Miami, FL 33155 >>>>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 >>>>> >>>>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: >>>>> [email protected] >>>>> >>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------ >>>>> ------------ >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> *From: *"Paul McCall" <[email protected]> >>>>> *To: *[email protected] >>>>> *Sent: *Thursday, July 20, 2017 11:59:34 AM >>>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Elderly Florida man vs. AT&T bucket >>>>> trucks >>>>> >>>>> YES, PLEASE keep this the pleasant WISP business related site >>>>> that we have re-established. We all have opinions, but… >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Paul 😊 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> *From:* Af [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of >>>>> *[email protected] >>>>> *Sent:* Thursday, July 20, 2017 10:40 AM >>>>> *To:* [email protected] >>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Elderly Florida man vs. AT&T bucket >>>>> trucks >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Disparity in how cops treat perps based on skin color is very >>>>> political, like global warming, evolution and the flat earth. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> All of which should be discussed on other forums as they have >>>>> nothing to do with operating a WISP. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> We lost Ken Hohof over this kind of thing last fall. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> *From:*Faisal Imtiaz >>>>> >>>>> *Sent:*Thursday, July 20, 2017 8:34 AM >>>>> >>>>> *To:*[email protected] >>>>> >>>>> *Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] Elderly Florida man vs. AT&T bucket >>>>> trucks >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> one last question... >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >> for this political BS >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Please do tell me how the Hell, what I posted and said is >>>>> "political" ? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Regards. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Faisal Imtiaz >>>>> Snappy Internet & Telecom >>>>> 7266 SW 48 Street >>>>> Miami, FL 33155 >>>>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 >>>>> >>>>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: >>>>> [email protected] >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------ >>>>> ------------ >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> *From: *"Dustin Jurman" <[email protected]> >>>>> *To: *[email protected] >>>>> *Sent: *Thursday, July 20, 2017 9:03:56 AM >>>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Elderly Florida man vs. AT&T bucket >>>>> trucks >>>>> >>>>> That’s just wrong Faisal to perpetuate this on this list. >>>>> There were a lot of great things you could have stated >>>>> here: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Was AT&T on the guys property without permission? >>>>> >>>>> Safety of the guy in the bucket while someone is shooting >>>>> the tires out. >>>>> >>>>> Safety of the guy in the bucket while engine/controls get >>>>> shot out >>>>> >>>>> How the ground guys handled the situation >>>>> >>>>> If you allow your crews to pack heat were they in the >>>>> right to defend themselves >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> You get where I’m going but this list has no place for >>>>> this political BS. The sad part is you sent this to the >>>>> list. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Dustin >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> *From:*Af [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of >>>>> *Faisal Imtiaz >>>>> *Sent:* Thursday, July 20, 2017 12:18 AM >>>>> *To:* [email protected] >>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Elderly Florida man vs. AT&T >>>>> bucket trucks >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Welcome to Miami >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> *http://wsvn.com/news/local/elderly-hialeah-man-shoots-out- >>>>> tires-of-att-truck-on-property/ >>>>> >>>>> <http://wsvn.com/news/local/elderly-hialeah-man-shoots-out- >>>>> tires-of-att-truck-on-property/>* >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ----------------- >>>>> >>>>> Here is the sad reality.... >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Since this was an elderly white male, he was arrested.. >>>>> >>>>> If this was a Brown or Black (or a younger) Person most >>>>> likely would have been shot on sight by the Cops. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Regards. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Faisal Imtiaz >>>>> Snappy Internet & Telecom >>>>> 7266 SW 48 Street >>>>> Miami, FL 33155 >>>>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 >>>>> >>>>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: >>>>> [email protected] >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------ >>>>> ------------ >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> *From: *"Eric Kuhnke" <[email protected]> >>>>> *To: *[email protected] >>>>> *Sent: *Thursday, July 20, 2017 12:05:33 AM >>>>> *Subject: *[AFMUG] OT: Elderly Florida man vs. AT&T >>>>> bucket trucks >>>>> >>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9IYUJa3rsEU >>>>> >>>>> Happened today. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >> >
