Thank you for sharing and making a well articulated point.

And yes, to someone like myself it is the Temp Insanity that is more dangerous 
and destructive, regardless of it happens to self or other person with a weapon 
or a Cop under stress.

Regards.

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: [email protected]

----- Original Message -----
> From: "Robert" <[email protected]>
> To: [email protected]
> Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 2:38:12 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SOP Outside Crew Protection / Confrontation Mitigation.

> I came home early from a sailboat race when I was 36.   We finished
> early and I came home a day early and found my wife in my back yard with
> another dude.   That moment when I saw them my vision shrunk down to a
> small red circle.   Seriously I am not kidding, vision all red with a 3
> foot circle that I could see them in.   I put my fist through two
> coverings of sheet rock ( luckily missed the stud ) and let go a truly
> primal scream that had them running from the backyard.   I was very
> lucky I wasn't carrying or I would have tested the laws of CA and
> probably would be still in jail to this day.   Temporary insanity is
> real.  I consider myself a darn rational, thinking man.   But be careful
> out there because there is an animal lurking in all of us.  Don't test
> the legal system unless you have very deep pockets, in which case you
> will walk the streets without a problem.   Judges are fickle and the
> legal system is more so.
> 
> On 07/20/2017 11:24 AM, George Skorup wrote:
>> Judged by 12 or carried by 6? I don't like either scenario at all, but
>> I'll shoot a mf'r if there's no other option.
>>
>> On 7/20/2017 12:43 PM, [email protected] wrote:
>>> Gun control is pretty political...
>>>
>>> Packing a weapon gives me options I am not sure I want myself to have.
>>>
>>> *From:* Faisal Imtiaz
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, July 20, 2017 11:40 AM
>>> *To:* [email protected]
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] SOP Outside Crew Protection / Confrontation
>>> Mitigation.
>>>
>>> LOL ! and I believe that is exactly what the Ground Crew did (with
>>> making the video).
>>>
>>> And so you are in agreement that :-
>>> "If you allow your crews to pack heat were they in the right to defend
>>> themselves"
>>>
>>> Would not be the better, smarter or wiser way of dealing with such !
>>>
>>> :)
>>>
>>>
>>> Faisal Imtiaz
>>> Snappy Internet & Telecom
>>> 7266 SW 48 Street
>>> Miami, FL 33155
>>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>>>
>>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: [email protected]
>>>
>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>>     *From: *[email protected]
>>>     *To: *[email protected]
>>>     *Sent: *Thursday, July 20, 2017 12:06:01 PM
>>>     *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] SOP Outside Crew Protection / Confrontation
>>>     Mitigation.
>>>
>>>     Call cops.
>>>     Duck for cover.
>>>     Administer first aid if you can do so without getting killed.
>>>
>>>     *From:* Faisal Imtiaz
>>>     *Sent:* Thursday, July 20, 2017 10:05 AM
>>>     *To:* [email protected]
>>>     *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] SOP Outside Crew Protection / Confrontation
>>>     Mitigation.
>>>
>>>     Let's turn this into a productive conversation, with relevance...
>>>
>>>     We all have crews working outside... so what should be the SOP for
>>>     them, under such circumstances ?
>>>     What type of training do we need to provide to assure everyone's
>>>     safety ?
>>>     What should be the reactions expected from the OSP Crew ?
>>>
>>>
>>>     Regards.
>>>
>>>     Faisal Imtiaz
>>>     Snappy Internet & Telecom
>>>     7266 SW 48 Street
>>>     Miami, FL 33155
>>>     Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>>>
>>>     Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: [email protected]
>>>
>>>     ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>>         *From: *"Paul McCall" <[email protected]>
>>>         *To: *[email protected]
>>>         *Sent: *Thursday, July 20, 2017 11:59:34 AM
>>>         *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Elderly Florida man vs. AT&T bucket trucks
>>>
>>>         YES, PLEASE keep this the pleasant WISP business related site
>>>         that we have re-established.  We all have opinions, but…
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>         Paul 😊
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>         *From:* Af [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of
>>>         *[email protected]
>>>         *Sent:* Thursday, July 20, 2017 10:40 AM
>>>         *To:* [email protected]
>>>         *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Elderly Florida man vs. AT&T bucket trucks
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>         Disparity in how cops treat perps based on skin color is very
>>>         political, like global warming, evolution and the flat earth.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>         All of which should be discussed on other forums as they have
>>>         nothing to do with operating a WISP.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>         We lost Ken Hohof over this kind of thing last fall.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>         *From:*Faisal Imtiaz
>>>
>>>         *Sent:*Thursday, July 20, 2017 8:34 AM
>>>
>>>         *To:*[email protected]
>>>
>>>         *Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] Elderly Florida man vs. AT&T bucket trucks
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>         one last question...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>         >> for this political BS
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>         Please do tell me how the Hell, what I posted and said is
>>>         "political"  ?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>         Regards.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>         Faisal Imtiaz
>>>         Snappy Internet & Telecom
>>>         7266 SW 48 Street
>>>         Miami, FL 33155
>>>         Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>>>
>>>         Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email:
>>>         [email protected]
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>         
>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>>             *From: *"Dustin Jurman" <[email protected]>
>>>             *To: *[email protected]
>>>             *Sent: *Thursday, July 20, 2017 9:03:56 AM
>>>             *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Elderly Florida man vs. AT&T bucket
>>>             trucks
>>>
>>>             That’s just wrong Faisal to perpetuate this on this list.
>>>             There were a lot of great things you could have stated here:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>             Was AT&T on the guys property without permission?
>>>
>>>             Safety of the guy in the bucket while someone is shooting
>>>             the tires out.
>>>
>>>             Safety of the guy in the bucket while engine/controls get
>>>             shot out
>>>
>>>             How the ground guys handled the situation
>>>
>>>             If you allow your crews to pack heat were they in the
>>>             right to defend themselves
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>             You get where I’m going but this list has no place for
>>>             this political BS.  The sad part is you sent this to the list.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>             Dustin
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>             *From:*Af [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of
>>>             *Faisal Imtiaz
>>>             *Sent:* Thursday, July 20, 2017 12:18 AM
>>>             *To:* [email protected]
>>>             *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Elderly Florida man vs. AT&T
>>>             bucket trucks
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>             Welcome to Miami
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>             
>>> *http://wsvn.com/news/local/elderly-hialeah-man-shoots-out-tires-of-att-truck-on-property/
>>>             
>>> <http://wsvn.com/news/local/elderly-hialeah-man-shoots-out-tires-of-att-truck-on-property/>*
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>             -----------------
>>>
>>>             Here is the sad reality....
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>             Since this was an elderly white male, he was arrested..
>>>
>>>             If this was a Brown or Black (or a younger) Person most
>>>             likely would have been shot on sight by the Cops.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>             Regards.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>             Faisal Imtiaz
>>>             Snappy Internet & Telecom
>>>             7266 SW 48 Street
>>>             Miami, FL 33155
>>>             Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>>>
>>>             Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email:
>>>             [email protected]
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>             
>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>>                 *From: *"Eric Kuhnke" <[email protected]>
>>>                 *To: *[email protected]
>>>                 *Sent: *Thursday, July 20, 2017 12:05:33 AM
>>>                 *Subject: *[AFMUG] OT: Elderly Florida man vs. AT&T
>>>                 bucket trucks
>>>
>>>                 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9IYUJa3rsEU
>>>
>>>                 Happened today.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>

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