Either the Salt Lake City or Salt Lake County police has a record going of the longest period of time without killing anyone. Not sure if this is just their personal best or compared to a similar sized city. They have instituted new training that emphasizes fist fighting first.
From: Jaime Solorza Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 5:18 PM To: Animal Farm Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SOP Outside Crew Protection / Confrontation Mitigation. I watch the new hires go through training at security firm where I do contract work. Some will never be able to defend themselves hand to hand, or with baton...they are trained with guns and have to pass that training or sayonara...I hope I am never working at camp when they have to use force. I want a personal force field, Chuck....rustle one up for me please in your lab Jaime Solorza On Jul 20, 2017 5:10 PM, "Chuck McCown" <[email protected]> wrote: When really angry or really scared, unless you have had some training on dealing with the situation, you lose some of your sanity. I was a hostage in a bank robbery once. I was so scared I remember thinking I would crawl over my own kids to get away if I could. There was still a small part of my brain sane enough to form that observation. That is the most scared I have ever been. I also remember thinking "you have never truly been scared before, you might have though you were scared but nothing compares with this". -----Original Message----- From: Robert Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 5:04 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SOP Outside Crew Protection / Confrontation Mitigation. It's about what happens in the instant. The red vision only lasted less than a minute and by the time I got to the screen door it had faded. BUT if I had the means to kill them in 2 seconds, it would have happened. That's the difference between a gun and a knife. Specially if I was then as proficient with a gun as I am now. I am also a lot older, a lot more experienced and have seen death up close and personal. Probably wouldn't have the same thing happen in the same scenario, but YOU JUST DON"T KNOW.... On 07/20/2017 02:02 PM, George Skorup wrote: OK, but what does a gun/guns have to do with that scenario? Could you have grabbed a knife or a baseball bat and went to town on one or both of them? Or how about bare hands? Absolutely yes. Murder is murder. Guns are not the problem. On 7/20/2017 1:38 PM, Robert wrote: I came home early from a sailboat race when I was 36. We finished early and I came home a day early and found my wife in my back yard with another dude. That moment when I saw them my vision shrunk down to a small red circle. Seriously I am not kidding, vision all red with a 3 foot circle that I could see them in. I put my fist through two coverings of sheet rock ( luckily missed the stud ) and let go a truly primal scream that had them running from the backyard. I was very lucky I wasn't carrying or I would have tested the laws of CA and probably would be still in jail to this day. Temporary insanity is real. I consider myself a darn rational, thinking man. But be careful out there because there is an animal lurking in all of us. Don't test the legal system unless you have very deep pockets, in which case you will walk the streets without a problem. Judges are fickle and the legal system is more so. On 07/20/2017 11:24 AM, George Skorup wrote: Judged by 12 or carried by 6? I don't like either scenario at all, but I'll shoot a mf'r if there's no other option. On 7/20/2017 12:43 PM, [email protected] wrote: Gun control is pretty political... Packing a weapon gives me options I am not sure I want myself to have. *From:* Faisal Imtiaz *Sent:* Thursday, July 20, 2017 11:40 AM *To:* [email protected] *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] SOP Outside Crew Protection / Confrontation Mitigation. LOL ! and I believe that is exactly what the Ground Crew did (with making the video). And so you are in agreement that :- "If you allow your crews to pack heat were they in the right to defend themselves" Would not be the better, smarter or wiser way of dealing with such ! :) Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet & Telecom 7266 SW 48 Street Miami, FL 33155 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: [email protected] ------------------------------------------------------------------------ *From: *[email protected] *To: *[email protected] *Sent: *Thursday, July 20, 2017 12:06:01 PM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] SOP Outside Crew Protection / Confrontation Mitigation. Call cops. Duck for cover. Administer first aid if you can do so without getting killed. *From:* Faisal Imtiaz *Sent:* Thursday, July 20, 2017 10:05 AM *To:* [email protected] *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] SOP Outside Crew Protection / Confrontation Mitigation. Let's turn this into a productive conversation, with relevance... We all have crews working outside... so what should be the SOP for them, under such circumstances ? What type of training do we need to provide to assure everyone's safety ? What should be the reactions expected from the OSP Crew ? Regards. Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet & Telecom 7266 SW 48 Street Miami, FL 33155 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: [email protected] ------------------------------------------------------------------------ *From: *"Paul McCall" <[email protected]> *To: *[email protected] *Sent: *Thursday, July 20, 2017 11:59:34 AM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Elderly Florida man vs. AT&T bucket trucks YES, PLEASE keep this the pleasant WISP business related site that we have re-established. We all have opinions, but… Paul 😊 *From:* Af [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of *[email protected] *Sent:* Thursday, July 20, 2017 10:40 AM *To:* [email protected] *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Elderly Florida man vs. AT&T bucket trucks Disparity in how cops treat perps based on skin color is very political, like global warming, evolution and the flat earth. All of which should be discussed on other forums as they have nothing to do with operating a WISP. We lost Ken Hohof over this kind of thing last fall. *From:*Faisal Imtiaz *Sent:*Thursday, July 20, 2017 8:34 AM *To:*[email protected] *Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] Elderly Florida man vs. AT&T bucket trucks one last question... >> for this political BS Please do tell me how the Hell, what I posted and said is "political" ? Regards. Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet & Telecom 7266 SW 48 Street Miami, FL 33155 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: [email protected] ------------------------------------------------------------------------ *From: *"Dustin Jurman" <[email protected]> *To: *[email protected] *Sent: *Thursday, July 20, 2017 9:03:56 AM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Elderly Florida man vs. AT&T bucket trucks That’s just wrong Faisal to perpetuate this on this list. There were a lot of great things you could have stated here: Was AT&T on the guys property without permission? Safety of the guy in the bucket while someone is shooting the tires out. Safety of the guy in the bucket while engine/controls get shot out How the ground guys handled the situation If you allow your crews to pack heat were they in the right to defend themselves You get where I’m going but this list has no place for this political BS. The sad part is you sent this to the list. Dustin *From:*Af [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Faisal Imtiaz *Sent:* Thursday, July 20, 2017 12:18 AM *To:* [email protected] *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Elderly Florida man vs. AT&T bucket trucks Welcome to Miami *http://wsvn.com/news/local/elderly-hialeah-man-shoots-out-tires-of-att-truck-on-property/ <http://wsvn.com/news/local/elderly-hialeah-man-shoots-out-tires-of-att-truck-on-property/>* ----------------- Here is the sad reality.... Since this was an elderly white male, he was arrested.. If this was a Brown or Black (or a younger) Person most likely would have been shot on sight by the Cops. Regards. Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet & Telecom 7266 SW 48 Street Miami, FL 33155 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: [email protected] ------------------------------------------------------------------------ *From: *"Eric Kuhnke" <[email protected]> *To: *[email protected] *Sent: *Thursday, July 20, 2017 12:05:33 AM *Subject: *[AFMUG] OT: Elderly Florida man vs. AT&T bucket trucks https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9IYUJa3rsEU Happened today.
