Name it the 'Stinger'    :-)

Jon Langeler
Michwave Technologies, Inc.


> On Aug 20, 2017, at 10:08 PM, Chuck McCown <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
> I am thinking that if I put in some legs that would fit inside the culvert 
> and if the lid was about 6” wider than the culvert all the way round, both 
> the lip and the legs would be pretty strong if someone drove over it. 
>  
> I need some my self.  Sounds like a worthy project to resurrect.  Have to 
> look up the method for rating hand holes.  Something about tire widths and 
> forces.  I know with the polymer concrete you elevate the lid and drive a 
> truck of certain weight on it and it cannot break.  Not sure where I found 
> that reference.  I think it was some kind of DOT document. 
>  
> From: Chris Fabien
> Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 6:56 PM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Aerial fiber $/mile
>  
> We would be interested in a 24" version.
>  
>> On Aug 20, 2017 8:50 PM, "Chuck McCown" <[email protected]> wrote:
>> I did a 24” version too. But if you are splicing a couple of 288 strands the 
>> splice case is pretty large. 
>>  
>> From: Adam Moffett
>> Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 5:49 PM
>> To: [email protected] ; [email protected]
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Aerial fiber $/mile
>>  
>> 36" diameter?  That's a big honkin handhole. What are you guys putting into 
>> these hand holes?
>>  
>>  
>> ------ Original Message ------
>> From: "Chuck McCown" <[email protected]>
>> To: [email protected]
>> Sent: 8/20/2017 5:56:37 PM
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Aerial fiber $/mile
>>  
>>> I was making handhole components a few years ago.  Not a big money maker.  
>>> But handholes are simply too expensive.  I came up with some alternate 
>>> designs, like a slice of 36” plastic conduit.  Made a lid to go over it.  
>>> Maybe I ought to revisit that project.  The world needs lower cost hand 
>>> holes. 
>>>  
>>> From: George Skorup
>>> Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 12:46 PM
>>> To: [email protected]
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Aerial fiber $/mile
>>>  
>>> We're looking at doing a neighborhood where we have wireless now. Private 
>>> association of about 40 homes. The president is also an electrical 
>>> contractor and has helped us on other non-fiber stuff in the past. So at 
>>> least we can get duct at his cost. Looking like about 6250 feet of duct and 
>>> 21 or 22 handholes. Probably going to follow Chuck Hogg's strategy with 1x4 
>>> PLCs in the splice cases fed by PLCs at the cabinet. My rough guestimates 
>>> are around $25-27k before putting it in the ground or customer drops. We 
>>> figure we can make a business case with a $1k install.
>>> 
>>>> On 8/20/2017 12:31 PM, Jason McKemie wrote:
>>>> It does include the fiber, but not electronics or splice closures. Just 
>>>> fiber, associated mounting hardware, and guy wires/anchors. 
>>>> 
>>>>> On Saturday, August 19, 2017, Adam Moffett <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>> Drops were anywhere from 150' to 1600'.  The long ones naturally pushed 
>>>>> up the average quite a bit.
>>>>>  
>>>>> On the feed down the road it's $1.80/foot plus the cable.  The contractor 
>>>>> is supplying all material except the cable itself and honestlyI don't 
>>>>> recall how much of that was labor vs material.  We did have to add 4 
>>>>> poles, so there's that in the $17,000/mile.  And that also includes 
>>>>> splice enclosures, switches, optics, switch enclosure, and electric 
>>>>> installation at the switch enclosure.
>>>>>  
>>>>> Does your $1/ft in materials include the actual fiber?  If not, then 
>>>>> we're very close.  If it does then I have to sharpen the pencil quite a 
>>>>> bit.
>>>>>  
>>>>>  
>>>>>  
>>>>> ------ Original Message ------
>>>>> From: "Jason McKemie" <[email protected]>
>>>>> To: "javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','[email protected]');" 
>>>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','[email protected]');>
>>>>> Sent: 8/19/2017 3:49:07 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Aerial fiber $/mile
>>>>>  
>>>>>> How long are the drops? Labor for main runs cost me about $.75/ft last 
>>>>>> time I did it, plus around $1/ft in materials. I didn't have to do much 
>>>>>> make ready though, that can add up quickly. I think my drops cost me 
>>>>>> roughly $1/ft since I'm doing them myself now.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Saturday, August 19, 2017, Adam Moffett 
>>>>>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','[email protected]');> wrote:
>>>>>>> I'm at $17,000 per mile on a recent active E deployment.  Each customer 
>>>>>>> installation averaged $900.  This is rural, so lots of long drops.
>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>> I guess I'm looking over to the next stall to see how mine measures up 
>>>>>>> to yours.
>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>> ------ Original Message ------
>>>>>>> From: "Adam Moffett" <[email protected]>
>>>>>>> To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
>>>>>>> Sent: 8/19/2017 9:55:20 AM
>>>>>>> Subject: [AFMUG] Aerial fiber $/mile
>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>> So after the dust has settled on completed projects, what sort of 
>>>>>>>> money have you ended up spending per mile?
>>>>>>>> How much per customer installation?

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