Ill have to look On Aug 28, 2017 5:23 PM, "Faisal Imtiaz" <fai...@snappytelecom.net> wrote:
> It does show on the AP Side... > > Lower right hand of the dashboard .... click on the two dots to see the > different screens ... > > > Regards. > > Faisal Imtiaz > Snappy Internet & Telecom > 7266 SW 48 Street > Miami, FL 33155 > Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 <(305)%20663-5518> > > Help-desk: (305)663-5518 <(305)%20663-5518> Option 2 or Email: > supp...@snappytelecom.net > > ------------------------------ > > *From: *"Steve Jones" <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> > *To: *af@afmug.com > *Sent: *Monday, August 28, 2017 6:02:21 PM > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] mimosa b11 > > I see the power leveling from the client side, would be nice if it showed > on the AP side, better than nothing though > On a bright note, getting that relieve/drain replaced was a snap, 5 > minutes on chat and theyre sending a replacement next day 1 in the plus > column for them for sure > > On Sun, Aug 27, 2017 at 8:32 PM, Faisal Imtiaz <fai...@snappytelecom.net> > wrote: > >> Thanks for the explanation, helps us in getting a better understanding of >> the function and features. >> >> :) >> >> Faisal Imtiaz >> Snappy Internet & Telecom >> 7266 SW 48 Street >> Miami, FL 33155 >> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 <(305)%20663-5518> >> >> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 <(305)%20663-5518> Option 2 or Email: >> supp...@snappytelecom.net >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> *From: *"George Skorup" <george.sko...@cbcast.com> >> *To: *af@afmug.com >> *Sent: *Sunday, August 27, 2017 8:03:41 PM >> >> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] mimosa b11 >> >> Turning up Tx power for rain fade is called power per mod, ACM power >> control or more sanely "variable power" as the SAF Luminas call it. ATPC is >> there to turn the power down when it's too hot. Power control and ATPC are >> two independent functions in the Lumina, as it should be. SAF did this >> right. I love the Lumina, except when ACM decides to get stuck. That's my >> only complaint about it. Well, the buffer is a bit small, but it's only a >> 360Mbps radio, so it's not too bad with flow control. >> >> When you coordinate a path, you can do either fixed or variable power. >> Obviously the radio will need to support variable. >> >> Here's an example from a Trango ApexPlus. >> >> >> >> Notice that they call it ATPC because that's what Trango ended up doing, >> adapting their ATPC code for power per mod level. This wasn't supported for >> the first year or two which was driving a lot of us nuts since the Remec >> ODU fully supported it. >> >> The Exalt ExtendAir G2 is another example. Exalt told me ATPC couldn't do >> this and I was SOL. So I guess enough of us bitched loud enough because ACM >> power control is finally supported after three years with the 1.5.0 >> release. I haven't loaded it on any of our radios yet, so we'll see. >> >> I don't know what the actual criteria for ATPC declaration is. But I'd >> imagine something like a really short path, or really large antennas for >> maximum fade resistance. Maybe the path is engineered for a -20dBm, but >> some radios don't want any hotter than -30dBm, so you need ATPC to bring it >> down 10dB. But you still want to be able to run at max EIRP for heavy fade >> events, so it's coordinated at say 28dBm w/ 8' dishes for that -20dBm RSL, >> -30dBm ATPC level. >> >> On 8/27/2017 5:15 PM, Faisal Imtiaz wrote: >> >> fair point.. >> I was referring more to the concept of ATPC, which would allow one to >> turn up the power under signal fade conditions. >> >> with the B11, when configured with coordinated power, the signal can be >> rather Hot, and these radios will (auto) turn down power, and maintain >> performance. >> >> It is not ATPC, but the functionality of needing extra power while >> maintaining optimum performance is there.. >> >> The biggest challenge with the Mimosa products is that they are doing >> things differently, and it can be a challenge in ' translating ' all of >> there ' feature's into the 'well known' and or 'accepted' features. >> >> Not passing judgment on if those features are good or bad, just saying >> that in trying to gain a better understanding of Mimosa Radios, one has to >> look at these features in a different light.. >> >> While they may not be your 'cup of tea' or they may not be 'the best' >> radio for a particular application, they fit a requirement niche very well. >> >> >> :) >> >> Regards. >> >> Faisal Imtiaz >> Snappy Internet & Telecom >> 7266 SW 48 Street >> Miami, FL 33155 >> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 <(305)%20663-5518> >> >> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 <(305)%20663-5518> Option 2 or Email: >> supp...@snappytelecom.net >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> *From: *"George Skorup" <george.sko...@cbcast.com> >> <george.sko...@cbcast.com> >> *To: *af@afmug.com >> *Sent: *Sunday, August 27, 2017 5:24:29 PM >> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] mimosa b11 >> >> Part 101 says you should run your systems at the coordinated power levels >> unless ATPC is explicitly declared. Just sayin. >> >> On 8/27/2017 12:52 PM, Faisal Imtiaz wrote: >> >> FYI, ATPC (Automatic Transmit Power Control) is practiced by the Mimosa >> B11 but it is done a bit differently. >> >> First of all.... There is a function built into the Mimosa B11 which >> allows them to back off Tx Power. >> (Latest firmware). >> 2nd, The Mimosa Radios have an uncanny ability to deal with Hot Signals >> and still keep offering best performance (-30 !) >> >> With Older firmware, a couple of versions back, the ideal sweet spot for >> performance was with an SNR of 34-36 .. but in the last couple of firmware >> updates they have improved performance with Hot signals and a High SNR. >> >> Feel free to test it ... :) >> >> Regards. >> >> >> Faisal Imtiaz >> Snappy Internet & Telecom >> 7266 SW 48 Street >> Miami, FL 33155 >> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 <(305)%20663-5518> >> >> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 <(305)%20663-5518> Option 2 or Email: >> supp...@snappytelecom.net >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> *From: *"Rory Conaway" <r...@triadwireless.net> <r...@triadwireless.net> >> *To: *af@afmug.com >> *Sent: *Sunday, August 27, 2017 1:17:21 PM >> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] mimosa b11 >> >> Is that a common practice? And doesn’t that add to the cost on both a >> monthly basis (tower costs if you rent) and the Capex? Do you find it is >> worth that additional cost? >> >> >> >> Rory >> >> >> >> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <af-boun...@afmug.com>] *On >> Behalf Of *Josh Reynolds >> *Sent:* Sunday, August 27, 2017 7:59 AM >> *To:* af@afmug.com >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] mimosa b11 >> >> >> >> ... >> >> >> >> You over engineer the link. Run the damn thing at like half power and >> still hit a -50 or whatever the sweet spot is, and adjust your ATPC to >> compensate for fade up to $level to where you can hit the modulation and >> still be legal. >> >> >> >> On Aug 27, 2017 9:55 AM, "Rory Conaway" <r...@triadwireless.net> wrote: >> >> Then what is the value of ATPC on a licensed link? >> >> >> >> Rory >> >> >> >> -------- Original message -------- >> From: Mathew Howard <mhoward...@gmail.com> >> Date: 8/26/2017 8:57 PM (GMT-07:00) >> To: af <af@afmug.com> >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mimosa b11 >> >> No, it would be licensed for the max the radio can do, in that case. >> >> >> >> On Aug 26, 2017 10:53 PM, "Rory Conaway" <r...@triadwireless.net> wrote: >> >> So legally if you have rain fade, you are allowed to turn up the power on >> a licensed link above the stated limits? >> >> >> >> Rory >> >> >> >> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mathew Howard >> *Sent:* Saturday, August 26, 2017 8:49 PM >> *To:* af >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] mimosa b11 >> >> >> >> You can also disable the wifi, so it never turns back on, once you're >> done with it. >> >> >> >> You would want ATPC so the radios can turn the power up during rain >> fade... you need it if the signal is normally tol hot at full power, or if >> the radios can't run at full modulation at full power. >> >> >> >> On Aug 26, 2017 10:29 PM, "Rory Conaway" <r...@triadwireless.net> wrote: >> >> The WiFi will find the cleanest channel. >> >> >> >> Not sure our ATPC helps with a licensed link though. The power setting >> is pre-determined. How does ATPC play into this? >> >> >> >> Rory >> >> >> >> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones >> *Sent:* Saturday, August 26, 2017 8:12 PM >> *To:* af@afmug.com >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] mimosa b11 >> >> >> >> The wifi alignment updates after 3 seconds, not one, i found. I can >> already see how pissed no atpc will make me. But one link of two are hung, >> the low power wireless works good, even on the ground of a 100 foot >> harvestore. Hows this work if it reboots and runs the wifi when you have a >> 2.4 cluster? >> >> >> >> Things im not complaning about, the sfp port cover, i dig that, and when >> we start rolling fiber i tike that the boot will go into liquid tight, >> pretty sweet. The ethernet boot is probably the most user friendly one ever. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Aug 26, 2017 8:05 PM, "Faisal Imtiaz" <fai...@snappytelecom.net> >> wrote: >> >> I think Steve may have wrestled with it !.. >> >> >> >> >> >> Ducking ! >> >> >> >> :) >> >> >> >> Faisal Imtiaz >> Snappy Internet & Telecom >> 7266 SW 48 Street >> Miami, FL 33155 >> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 <%28305%29%20663-5518> >> >> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 <%28305%29%20663-5518> Option 2 or Email: >> supp...@snappytelecom.net >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> *From: *"Jaime Fink" <ja...@mimosa.co> >> *To: *af@afmug.com >> *Sent: *Saturday, August 26, 2017 5:59:39 PM >> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] mimosa b11 >> >> No the whole point of these is air pressure and condensation release, >> it's not under pressure in shipment. >> >> >> On Aug 26, 2017, at 2:56 PM, "ch...@wbmfg.com" <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote: >> >> If they are shipped in the non pressurized hold of an aircraft it could >> cause the pop off. >> >> >> >> *From:* Steve Jones >> >> *Sent:* Saturday, August 26, 2017 3:44 PM >> >> *To:* af@afmug.com >> >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] mimosa b11 >> >> >> >> >> >> On Aug 26, 2017 10:54 AM, "Jaime Fink" <ja...@mimosa.co> wrote: >> >> Pretty sure support can send you a spare of the IP67 gore vent. It's >> extraordinarily rare that the top cap of the vent pops off in the box, >> first one I've heard of myself, and you don't want to tape it up as any air >> pressure would just pop the tape off and any condensation or moisture >> wouldn't be able to escape. >> >> >> >> Just contact them on chat on our site. >> >> >> >> Jaime >> >> >> On Aug 26, 2017, at 8:39 AM, Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >> The little black cover fell off, the retention nuts still there. These >> will blow off in the wind anyway, i just wont tape over it. I figure when >> it falls off in the box, its not staying on anywhere >> >> >> >> On Aug 26, 2017 10:28 AM, "Faisal Imtiaz" <fai...@snappytelecom.net> >> wrote: >> >> It is a pressure relieve valve and also a moisture drainage hole.. >> >> Don't mess with it, don't cover it .. leave it alone. >> >> >> >> >> Faisal Imtiaz >> Snappy Internet & Telecom >> 7266 SW 48 Street >> Miami, FL 33155 >> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 <%28305%29%20663-5518> >> >> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 <%28305%29%20663-5518> Option 2 or Email: >> supp...@snappytelecom.net >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> *From: *"Steve Jones" <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> >> *To: *af@afmug.com >> *Sent: *Friday, August 25, 2017 5:28:36 PM >> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] mimosa b11 >> >> what is the little black cap between the two ports on these? one came off >> and i cant figure out what that is and whether to tape it up or what >> >> >> >> On Fri, Aug 25, 2017 at 3:01 PM, Rory Conaway <r...@triadwireless.net> >> wrote: >> >> If you can hang a B5 radio, you can hang a B11. Hell, if you can program >> a Nanostation Loco, you can hang a B11 and make it work. That’s what I >> call efficiency in terms of training. >> >> >> >> Rory >> >> >> >> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <af-boun...@afmug.com>] *On >> Behalf Of *Josh Reynolds >> *Sent:* Friday, August 25, 2017 12:25 PM >> *To:* af@afmug.com >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] mimosa b11 >> >> >> >> What I'm getting at is deploying a product without product specific >> knowledge is not normally a good thing. I understand a radio isn't exactly >> a rocket ship, but still... >> >> >> >> PS - Can we have out daily use jetpacks yet? >> >> >> >> On Aug 25, 2017 2:10 PM, "Rory Conaway" <r...@triadwireless.net> wrote: >> >> It’s a huge thing in terms of training and availability if there is a >> field issue. >> >> >> >> Rory >> >> >> >> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <af-boun...@afmug.com>] *On >> Behalf Of *Josh Reynolds >> *Sent:* Friday, August 25, 2017 9:42 AM >> *To:* af@afmug.com >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] mimosa b11 >> >> >> >> That's not necessarily a good thing. >> >> >> >> On Aug 25, 2017 10:04 AM, "Rory Conaway" <r...@triadwireless.net> wrote: >> >> Seriously, every guy in my company can deploy a B11 with no training >> versus the crap we went through with Dragonwave and you are complaining >> about that? >> >> >> >> Rory >> >> >> >> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <af-boun...@afmug.com>] *On >> Behalf Of *Steve Jones >> *Sent:* Friday, August 25, 2017 7:29 AM >> *To:* af@afmug.com >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] mimosa b11 >> >> >> >> I need 2 if im chucking the first one out the window >> >> >> >> On Aug 25, 2017 8:39 AM, "Rory Conaway" <r...@triadwireless.net> wrote: >> >> BTW, you also only need 1 radio for a spare, not 2. >> >> >> >> Rory >> >> >> >> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <af-boun...@afmug.com>] *On >> Behalf Of *Steve Jones >> *Sent:* Thursday, August 24, 2017 7:19 AM >> *To:* af@afmug.com >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] mimosa b11 >> >> >> >> Thats the gui im saying mimosa makes look good >> >> >> >> On Aug 24, 2017 8:56 AM, "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote: >> >> Did you ever use the original ePMP? >> >> >> >> *From:* Steve Jones >> >> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 23, 2017 10:54 PM >> >> *To:* af@afmug.com >> >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] mimosa b11 >> >> >> >> ill have to look into browser >> >> >> >> by clunky I mean slow to load, multiple instances where it went to the >> login screen for no reason, a junk gui to me is indicative of the gears >> quality, unless the gear is designed for cli and gui is an afterthought >> >> >> >> at least its not java, ill give it that >> >> >> >> I guess I'm just babied on saf, fast, never an issue with the interface. >> >> >> >> >> >> On Wed, Aug 23, 2017 at 11:24 PM, Rory Conaway <r...@triadwireless.net> >> wrote: >> >> Steve, you are mistaken on a couple of things. I’m not sure how you say >> it’s clunky. It’s pretty easy, as are most of the vendors GUI’s. >> >> As for our statement about the road trip, that is completely false. If >> the AP is on the connection side, the client side will always search and >> connect. >> >> >> >> Every manufacturer ships with older firmware so again, I don’t see how >> that is any different than anyone else. >> >> As for the SSID, you have to use Chrome. If you use IE, then the save >> button doesn’t pop up. Chrome lets you type in whatever you want. >> >> Rory >> >> >> >> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <af-boun...@afmug.com>] *On >> Behalf Of *Steve Jones >> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 23, 2017 8:55 PM >> *To:* af@afmug.com >> *Subject:* [AFMUG] mimosa b11 >> >> >> >> very unimpressed thus far and theyre just sitting on my living room floor >> >> web interface is so clunky, pretty well guarantees if a link has any >> issue no getting to the other side to reboot it, definite road trip, glad >> these are going in a redundant path >> >> >> >> essids reverting to factory... awesome >> >> >> >> I can guarantee we will need two spares because the first time I'm going >> to do a replacement after a storm in inclement weather and this stupid 30 >> minute process of activating, loading firmwares, all that, the first ones >> getting chucked through a window >> >> >> >> seriously, you have to scan essid? you cant just put it in, how freaking >> stupid is that. >> >> >> >> now I haven't checked the maps, but I'm pretty confident theres no 11ghz >> link going through my house, so a noise floor in the low 80s is pretty >> suspect. wondering if my 5ghz ap is the source of that "11ghz" fucking >> upconverts, I should have researched more >> >> >> >> the blazing fast speed of the interface is making me have some respect >> for the epmp >> >> >> >> reboot time on this "carrier class" product is outstanding, pretty sure >> if I ever have to reboot in production ill have time to drive to everybodys >> house and let them know whats going on before it comes back up. >> >> >> >> I do like that radiowaves has a mimisa interface for the hp line of >> antennas though, so if need be ill just pull it off and put a saf interface >> on. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >
