I see the power leveling from the client side, would be nice if it showed on the AP side, better than nothing though
On a bright note, getting that relieve/drain replaced was a snap, 5 minutes on chat and theyre sending a replacement next day 1 in the plus column for them for sure On Sun, Aug 27, 2017 at 8:32 PM, Faisal Imtiaz <[email protected]> wrote: > Thanks for the explanation, helps us in getting a better understanding of > the function and features. > > :) > > Faisal Imtiaz > Snappy Internet & Telecom > 7266 SW 48 Street > Miami, FL 33155 > Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 <(305)%20663-5518> > > Help-desk: (305)663-5518 <(305)%20663-5518> Option 2 or Email: > [email protected] > > ------------------------------ > > *From: *"George Skorup" <[email protected]> > *To: *[email protected] > *Sent: *Sunday, August 27, 2017 8:03:41 PM > > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] mimosa b11 > > Turning up Tx power for rain fade is called power per mod, ACM power > control or more sanely "variable power" as the SAF Luminas call it. ATPC is > there to turn the power down when it's too hot. Power control and ATPC are > two independent functions in the Lumina, as it should be. SAF did this > right. I love the Lumina, except when ACM decides to get stuck. That's my > only complaint about it. Well, the buffer is a bit small, but it's only a > 360Mbps radio, so it's not too bad with flow control. > > When you coordinate a path, you can do either fixed or variable power. > Obviously the radio will need to support variable. > > Here's an example from a Trango ApexPlus. > > > > Notice that they call it ATPC because that's what Trango ended up doing, > adapting their ATPC code for power per mod level. This wasn't supported for > the first year or two which was driving a lot of us nuts since the Remec > ODU fully supported it. > > The Exalt ExtendAir G2 is another example. Exalt told me ATPC couldn't do > this and I was SOL. So I guess enough of us bitched loud enough because ACM > power control is finally supported after three years with the 1.5.0 > release. I haven't loaded it on any of our radios yet, so we'll see. > > I don't know what the actual criteria for ATPC declaration is. But I'd > imagine something like a really short path, or really large antennas for > maximum fade resistance. Maybe the path is engineered for a -20dBm, but > some radios don't want any hotter than -30dBm, so you need ATPC to bring it > down 10dB. But you still want to be able to run at max EIRP for heavy fade > events, so it's coordinated at say 28dBm w/ 8' dishes for that -20dBm RSL, > -30dBm ATPC level. > > On 8/27/2017 5:15 PM, Faisal Imtiaz wrote: > > fair point.. > I was referring more to the concept of ATPC, which would allow one to turn > up the power under signal fade conditions. > > with the B11, when configured with coordinated power, the signal can be > rather Hot, and these radios will (auto) turn down power, and maintain > performance. > > It is not ATPC, but the functionality of needing extra power while > maintaining optimum performance is there.. > > The biggest challenge with the Mimosa products is that they are doing > things differently, and it can be a challenge in ' translating ' all of > there ' feature's into the 'well known' and or 'accepted' features. > > Not passing judgment on if those features are good or bad, just saying > that in trying to gain a better understanding of Mimosa Radios, one has to > look at these features in a different light.. > > While they may not be your 'cup of tea' or they may not be 'the best' > radio for a particular application, they fit a requirement niche very well. > > > :) > > Regards. > > Faisal Imtiaz > Snappy Internet & Telecom > 7266 SW 48 Street > Miami, FL 33155 > Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 <(305)%20663-5518> > > Help-desk: (305)663-5518 <(305)%20663-5518> Option 2 or Email: > [email protected] > > ------------------------------ > > *From: *"George Skorup" <[email protected]> > <[email protected]> > *To: *[email protected] > *Sent: *Sunday, August 27, 2017 5:24:29 PM > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] mimosa b11 > > Part 101 says you should run your systems at the coordinated power levels > unless ATPC is explicitly declared. Just sayin. > > On 8/27/2017 12:52 PM, Faisal Imtiaz wrote: > > FYI, ATPC (Automatic Transmit Power Control) is practiced by the Mimosa > B11 but it is done a bit differently. > > First of all.... There is a function built into the Mimosa B11 which > allows them to back off Tx Power. > (Latest firmware). > 2nd, The Mimosa Radios have an uncanny ability to deal with Hot Signals > and still keep offering best performance (-30 !) > > With Older firmware, a couple of versions back, the ideal sweet spot for > performance was with an SNR of 34-36 .. but in the last couple of firmware > updates they have improved performance with Hot signals and a High SNR. > > Feel free to test it ... :) > > Regards. > > > Faisal Imtiaz > Snappy Internet & Telecom > 7266 SW 48 Street > Miami, FL 33155 > Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 <(305)%20663-5518> > > Help-desk: (305)663-5518 <(305)%20663-5518> Option 2 or Email: > [email protected] > > ------------------------------ > > *From: *"Rory Conaway" <[email protected]> <[email protected]> > *To: *[email protected] > *Sent: *Sunday, August 27, 2017 1:17:21 PM > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] mimosa b11 > > Is that a common practice? And doesn’t that add to the cost on both a > monthly basis (tower costs if you rent) and the Capex? Do you find it is > worth that additional cost? > > > > Rory > > > > *From:* Af [mailto:[email protected] <[email protected]>] *On > Behalf Of *Josh Reynolds > *Sent:* Sunday, August 27, 2017 7:59 AM > *To:* [email protected] > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] mimosa b11 > > > > ... > > > > You over engineer the link. Run the damn thing at like half power and > still hit a -50 or whatever the sweet spot is, and adjust your ATPC to > compensate for fade up to $level to where you can hit the modulation and > still be legal. > > > > On Aug 27, 2017 9:55 AM, "Rory Conaway" <[email protected]> wrote: > > Then what is the value of ATPC on a licensed link? > > > > Rory > > > > -------- Original message -------- > From: Mathew Howard <[email protected]> > Date: 8/26/2017 8:57 PM (GMT-07:00) > To: af <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mimosa b11 > > No, it would be licensed for the max the radio can do, in that case. > > > > On Aug 26, 2017 10:53 PM, "Rory Conaway" <[email protected]> wrote: > > So legally if you have rain fade, you are allowed to turn up the power on > a licensed link above the stated limits? > > > > Rory > > > > *From:* Af [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Mathew Howard > *Sent:* Saturday, August 26, 2017 8:49 PM > *To:* af > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] mimosa b11 > > > > You can also disable the wifi, so it never turns back on, once you're done > with it. > > > > You would want ATPC so the radios can turn the power up during rain > fade... you need it if the signal is normally tol hot at full power, or if > the radios can't run at full modulation at full power. > > > > On Aug 26, 2017 10:29 PM, "Rory Conaway" <[email protected]> wrote: > > The WiFi will find the cleanest channel. > > > > Not sure our ATPC helps with a licensed link though. The power setting is > pre-determined. How does ATPC play into this? > > > > Rory > > > > *From:* Af [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones > *Sent:* Saturday, August 26, 2017 8:12 PM > *To:* [email protected] > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] mimosa b11 > > > > The wifi alignment updates after 3 seconds, not one, i found. I can > already see how pissed no atpc will make me. But one link of two are hung, > the low power wireless works good, even on the ground of a 100 foot > harvestore. Hows this work if it reboots and runs the wifi when you have a > 2.4 cluster? > > > > Things im not complaning about, the sfp port cover, i dig that, and when > we start rolling fiber i tike that the boot will go into liquid tight, > pretty sweet. The ethernet boot is probably the most user friendly one ever. > > > > > > > > On Aug 26, 2017 8:05 PM, "Faisal Imtiaz" <[email protected]> wrote: > > I think Steve may have wrestled with it !.. > > > > > > Ducking ! > > > > :) > > > > Faisal Imtiaz > Snappy Internet & Telecom > 7266 SW 48 Street > Miami, FL 33155 > Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 <%28305%29%20663-5518> > > Help-desk: (305)663-5518 <%28305%29%20663-5518> Option 2 or Email: > [email protected] > > > ------------------------------ > > *From: *"Jaime Fink" <[email protected]> > *To: *[email protected] > *Sent: *Saturday, August 26, 2017 5:59:39 PM > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] mimosa b11 > > No the whole point of these is air pressure and condensation release, it's > not under pressure in shipment. > > > On Aug 26, 2017, at 2:56 PM, "[email protected]" <[email protected]> wrote: > > If they are shipped in the non pressurized hold of an aircraft it could > cause the pop off. > > > > *From:* Steve Jones > > *Sent:* Saturday, August 26, 2017 3:44 PM > > *To:* [email protected] > > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] mimosa b11 > > > > > > On Aug 26, 2017 10:54 AM, "Jaime Fink" <[email protected]> wrote: > > Pretty sure support can send you a spare of the IP67 gore vent. It's > extraordinarily rare that the top cap of the vent pops off in the box, > first one I've heard of myself, and you don't want to tape it up as any air > pressure would just pop the tape off and any condensation or moisture > wouldn't be able to escape. > > > > Just contact them on chat on our site. > > > > Jaime > > > On Aug 26, 2017, at 8:39 AM, Steve Jones <[email protected]> > wrote: > > The little black cover fell off, the retention nuts still there. These > will blow off in the wind anyway, i just wont tape over it. I figure when > it falls off in the box, its not staying on anywhere > > > > On Aug 26, 2017 10:28 AM, "Faisal Imtiaz" <[email protected]> > wrote: > > It is a pressure relieve valve and also a moisture drainage hole.. > > Don't mess with it, don't cover it .. leave it alone. > > > > Faisal Imtiaz > Snappy Internet & Telecom > 7266 SW 48 Street > Miami, FL 33155 > Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 <%28305%29%20663-5518> > > Help-desk: (305)663-5518 <%28305%29%20663-5518> Option 2 or Email: > [email protected] > > > ------------------------------ > > *From: *"Steve Jones" <[email protected]> > *To: *[email protected] > *Sent: *Friday, August 25, 2017 5:28:36 PM > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] mimosa b11 > > what is the little black cap between the two ports on these? one came off > and i cant figure out what that is and whether to tape it up or what > > > > On Fri, Aug 25, 2017 at 3:01 PM, Rory Conaway <[email protected]> > wrote: > > If you can hang a B5 radio, you can hang a B11. Hell, if you can program > a Nanostation Loco, you can hang a B11 and make it work. That’s what I > call efficiency in terms of training. > > > > Rory > > > > *From:* Af [mailto:[email protected] <[email protected]>] *On > Behalf Of *Josh Reynolds > *Sent:* Friday, August 25, 2017 12:25 PM > *To:* [email protected] > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] mimosa b11 > > > > What I'm getting at is deploying a product without product specific > knowledge is not normally a good thing. I understand a radio isn't exactly > a rocket ship, but still... > > > > PS - Can we have out daily use jetpacks yet? > > > > On Aug 25, 2017 2:10 PM, "Rory Conaway" <[email protected]> wrote: > > It’s a huge thing in terms of training and availability if there is a > field issue. > > > > Rory > > > > *From:* Af [mailto:[email protected] <[email protected]>] *On > Behalf Of *Josh Reynolds > *Sent:* Friday, August 25, 2017 9:42 AM > *To:* [email protected] > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] mimosa b11 > > > > That's not necessarily a good thing. > > > > On Aug 25, 2017 10:04 AM, "Rory Conaway" <[email protected]> wrote: > > Seriously, every guy in my company can deploy a B11 with no training > versus the crap we went through with Dragonwave and you are complaining > about that? > > > > Rory > > > > *From:* Af [mailto:[email protected] <[email protected]>] *On > Behalf Of *Steve Jones > *Sent:* Friday, August 25, 2017 7:29 AM > *To:* [email protected] > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] mimosa b11 > > > > I need 2 if im chucking the first one out the window > > > > On Aug 25, 2017 8:39 AM, "Rory Conaway" <[email protected]> wrote: > > BTW, you also only need 1 radio for a spare, not 2. > > > > Rory > > > > *From:* Af [mailto:[email protected] <[email protected]>] *On > Behalf Of *Steve Jones > *Sent:* Thursday, August 24, 2017 7:19 AM > *To:* [email protected] > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] mimosa b11 > > > > Thats the gui im saying mimosa makes look good > > > > On Aug 24, 2017 8:56 AM, "Chuck McCown" <[email protected]> wrote: > > Did you ever use the original ePMP? > > > > *From:* Steve Jones > > *Sent:* Wednesday, August 23, 2017 10:54 PM > > *To:* [email protected] > > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] mimosa b11 > > > > ill have to look into browser > > > > by clunky I mean slow to load, multiple instances where it went to the > login screen for no reason, a junk gui to me is indicative of the gears > quality, unless the gear is designed for cli and gui is an afterthought > > > > at least its not java, ill give it that > > > > I guess I'm just babied on saf, fast, never an issue with the interface. > > > > > > On Wed, Aug 23, 2017 at 11:24 PM, Rory Conaway <[email protected]> > wrote: > > Steve, you are mistaken on a couple of things. I’m not sure how you say > it’s clunky. It’s pretty easy, as are most of the vendors GUI’s. > > As for our statement about the road trip, that is completely false. If > the AP is on the connection side, the client side will always search and > connect. > > > > Every manufacturer ships with older firmware so again, I don’t see how > that is any different than anyone else. > > As for the SSID, you have to use Chrome. If you use IE, then the save > button doesn’t pop up. Chrome lets you type in whatever you want. > > Rory > > > > *From:* Af [mailto:[email protected] <[email protected]>] *On > Behalf Of *Steve Jones > *Sent:* Wednesday, August 23, 2017 8:55 PM > *To:* [email protected] > *Subject:* [AFMUG] mimosa b11 > > > > very unimpressed thus far and theyre just sitting on my living room floor > > web interface is so clunky, pretty well guarantees if a link has any issue > no getting to the other side to reboot it, definite road trip, glad these > are going in a redundant path > > > > essids reverting to factory... awesome > > > > I can guarantee we will need two spares because the first time I'm going > to do a replacement after a storm in inclement weather and this stupid 30 > minute process of activating, loading firmwares, all that, the first ones > getting chucked through a window > > > > seriously, you have to scan essid? you cant just put it in, how freaking > stupid is that. > > > > now I haven't checked the maps, but I'm pretty confident theres no 11ghz > link going through my house, so a noise floor in the low 80s is pretty > suspect. wondering if my 5ghz ap is the source of that "11ghz" fucking > upconverts, I should have researched more > > > > the blazing fast speed of the interface is making me have some respect for > the epmp > > > > reboot time on this "carrier class" product is outstanding, pretty sure if > I ever have to reboot in production ill have time to drive to everybodys > house and let them know whats going on before it comes back up. > > > > I do like that radiowaves has a mimisa interface for the hp line of > antennas though, so if need be ill just pull it off and put a saf interface > on. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
