Thanks for the explanation, helps us in getting a better understanding of the function and features.
:) Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet & Telecom 7266 SW 48 Street Miami, FL 33155 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: [email protected] > From: "George Skorup" <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Sunday, August 27, 2017 8:03:41 PM > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mimosa b11 > Turning up Tx power for rain fade is called power per mod, ACM power control > or > more sanely "variable power" as the SAF Luminas call it. ATPC is there to turn > the power down when it's too hot. Power control and ATPC are two independent > functions in the Lumina, as it should be. SAF did this right. I love the > Lumina, except when ACM decides to get stuck. That's my only complaint about > it. Well, the buffer is a bit small, but it's only a 360Mbps radio, so it's > not > too bad with flow control. > When you coordinate a path, you can do either fixed or variable power. > Obviously > the radio will need to support variable. > Here's an example from a Trango ApexPlus. > Notice that they call it ATPC because that's what Trango ended up doing, > adapting their ATPC code for power per mod level. This wasn't supported for > the > first year or two which was driving a lot of us nuts since the Remec ODU fully > supported it. > The Exalt ExtendAir G2 is another example. Exalt told me ATPC couldn't do this > and I was SOL. So I guess enough of us bitched loud enough because ACM power > control is finally supported after three years with the 1.5.0 release. I > haven't loaded it on any of our radios yet, so we'll see. > I don't know what the actual criteria for ATPC declaration is. But I'd imagine > something like a really short path, or really large antennas for maximum fade > resistance. Maybe the path is engineered for a -20dBm, but some radios don't > want any hotter than -30dBm, so you need ATPC to bring it down 10dB. But you > still want to be able to run at max EIRP for heavy fade events, so it's > coordinated at say 28dBm w/ 8' dishes for that -20dBm RSL, -30dBm ATPC level. > On 8/27/2017 5:15 PM, Faisal Imtiaz wrote: >> fair point.. >> I was referring more to the concept of ATPC, which would allow one to turn up >> the power under signal fade conditions. >> with the B11, when configured with coordinated power, the signal can be >> rather >> Hot, and these radios will (auto) turn down power, and maintain performance. >> It is not ATPC, but the functionality of needing extra power while >> maintaining >> optimum performance is there.. >> The biggest challenge with the Mimosa products is that they are doing things >> differently, and it can be a challenge in ' translating ' all of there ' >> feature's into the 'well known' and or 'accepted' features. >> Not passing judgment on if those features are good or bad, just saying that >> in >> trying to gain a better understanding of Mimosa Radios, one has to look at >> these features in a different light.. >> While they may not be your 'cup of tea' or they may not be 'the best' radio >> for >> a particular application, they fit a requirement niche very well. >> :) >> Regards. >> Faisal Imtiaz >> Snappy Internet & Telecom >> 7266 SW 48 Street >> Miami, FL 33155 >> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 >> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: [email protected] >>> From: "George Skorup" <[email protected]> >>> To: [email protected] >>> Sent: Sunday, August 27, 2017 5:24:29 PM >>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mimosa b11 >>> Part 101 says you should run your systems at the coordinated power levels >>> unless >>> ATPC is explicitly declared. Just sayin. >>> On 8/27/2017 12:52 PM, Faisal Imtiaz wrote: >>>> FYI, ATPC (Automatic Transmit Power Control) is practiced by the Mimosa >>>> B11 but >>>> it is done a bit differently. >>>> First of all.... There is a function built into the Mimosa B11 which >>>> allows them >>>> to back off Tx Power. >>>> (Latest firmware). >>>> 2nd, The Mimosa Radios have an uncanny ability to deal with Hot Signals and >>>> still keep offering best performance (-30 !) >>>> With Older firmware, a couple of versions back, the ideal sweet spot for >>>> performance was with an SNR of 34-36 .. but in the last couple of firmware >>>> updates they have improved performance with Hot signals and a High SNR. >>>> Feel free to test it ... :) >>>> Regards. >>>> Faisal Imtiaz >>>> Snappy Internet & Telecom >>>> 7266 SW 48 Street >>>> Miami, FL 33155 >>>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 >>>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: [email protected] >>>>> From: "Rory Conaway" <[email protected]> >>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>> Sent: Sunday, August 27, 2017 1:17:21 PM >>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mimosa b11 >>>>> Is that a common practice? And doesn’t that add to the cost on both a >>>>> monthly >>>>> basis (tower costs if you rent) and the Capex? Do you find it is worth >>>>> that >>>>> additional cost? >>>>> Rory >>>>> From: Af [ mailto:[email protected] ] On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds >>>>> Sent: Sunday, August 27, 2017 7:59 AM >>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mimosa b11 >>>>> ... >>>>> You over engineer the link. Run the damn thing at like half power and >>>>> still hit >>>>> a -50 or whatever the sweet spot is, and adjust your ATPC to compensate >>>>> for >>>>> fade up to $level to where you can hit the modulation and still be legal. >>>>> On Aug 27, 2017 9:55 AM, "Rory Conaway" < [email protected] > wrote: >>>>> Then what is the value of ATPC on a licensed link? >>>>> Rory >>>>> -------- Original message -------- >>>>> From: Mathew Howard < [email protected] > >>>>> Date: 8/26/2017 8:57 PM (GMT-07:00) >>>>> To: af < [email protected] > >>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mimosa b11 >>>>> No, it would be licensed for the max the radio can do, in that case. >>>>> On Aug 26, 2017 10:53 PM, "Rory Conaway" < [email protected] > wrote: >>>>> So legally if you have rain fade, you are allowed to turn up the power on >>>>> a >>>>> licensed link above the stated limits? >>>>> Rory >>>>> From: Af [mailto: [email protected] ] On Behalf Of Mathew Howard >>>>> Sent: Saturday, August 26, 2017 8:49 PM >>>>> To: af >>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mimosa b11 >>>>> You can also disable the wifi, so it never turns back on, once you're >>>>> done with >>>>> it. >>>>> You would want ATPC so the radios can turn the power up during rain >>>>> fade... you >>>>> need it if the signal is normally tol hot at full power, or if the radios >>>>> can't >>>>> run at full modulation at full power. >>>>> On Aug 26, 2017 10:29 PM, "Rory Conaway" < [email protected] > wrote: >>>>> The WiFi will find the cleanest channel. >>>>> Not sure our ATPC helps with a licensed link though. The power setting is >>>>> pre-determined. How does ATPC play into this? >>>>> Rory >>>>> From: Af [mailto: [email protected] ] On Behalf Of Steve Jones >>>>> Sent: Saturday, August 26, 2017 8:12 PM >>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mimosa b11 >>>>> The wifi alignment updates after 3 seconds, not one, i found. I can >>>>> already see >>>>> how pissed no atpc will make me. But one link of two are hung, the low >>>>> power >>>>> wireless works good, even on the ground of a 100 foot harvestore. Hows >>>>> this >>>>> work if it reboots and runs the wifi when you have a 2.4 cluster? >>>>> Things im not complaning about, the sfp port cover, i dig that, and when >>>>> we >>>>> start rolling fiber i tike that the boot will go into liquid tight, pretty >>>>> sweet. The ethernet boot is probably the most user friendly one ever. >>>>> On Aug 26, 2017 8:05 PM, "Faisal Imtiaz" < [email protected] > >>>>> wrote: >>>>> I think Steve may have wrestled with it !.. >>>>> Ducking ! >>>>> :) >>>>> Faisal Imtiaz >>>>> Snappy Internet & Telecom >>>>> 7266 SW 48 Street >>>>> Miami, FL 33155 >>>>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 >>>>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: [email protected] >>>>>> From: "Jaime Fink" < [email protected] > >>>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>>> Sent: Saturday, August 26, 2017 5:59:39 PM >>>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mimosa b11 >>>>>> No the whole point of these is air pressure and condensation release, >>>>>> it's not >>>>>> under pressure in shipment. >>>>>> On Aug 26, 2017, at 2:56 PM, " [email protected] " < [email protected] > >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> If they are shipped in the non pressurized hold of an aircraft it could >>>>>>> cause >>>>>>> the pop off. >>>>>>> From: Steve Jones >>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, August 26, 2017 3:44 PM >>>>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mimosa b11 >>>>>>> On Aug 26, 2017 10:54 AM, "Jaime Fink" < [email protected] > wrote: >>>>>>> Pretty sure support can send you a spare of the IP67 gore vent. It's >>>>>>> extraordinarily rare that the top cap of the vent pops off in the box, >>>>>>> first >>>>>>> one I've heard of myself, and you don't want to tape it up as any air >>>>>>> pressure >>>>>>> would just pop the tape off and any condensation or moisture wouldn't >>>>>>> be able >>>>>>> to escape. >>>>>>> Just contact them on chat on our site. >>>>>>> Jaime >>>>>>> On Aug 26, 2017, at 8:39 AM, Steve Jones < [email protected] > >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> The little black cover fell off, the retention nuts still there. These >>>>>>>> will blow >>>>>>>> off in the wind anyway, i just wont tape over it. I figure when it >>>>>>>> falls off in >>>>>>>> the box, its not staying on anywhere >>>>>>>> On Aug 26, 2017 10:28 AM, "Faisal Imtiaz" < [email protected] > >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> It is a pressure relieve valve and also a moisture drainage hole.. >>>>>>>> Don't mess with it, don't cover it .. leave it alone. >>>>>>>> Faisal Imtiaz >>>>>>>> Snappy Internet & Telecom >>>>>>>> 7266 SW 48 Street >>>>>>>> Miami, FL 33155 >>>>>>>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 >>>>>>>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: [email protected] >>>>>>>>> From: "Steve Jones" < [email protected] > >>>>>>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, August 25, 2017 5:28:36 PM >>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mimosa b11 >>>>>>>>> what is the little black cap between the two ports on these? one came >>>>>>>>> off and i >>>>>>>>> cant figure out what that is and whether to tape it up or what >>>>>>>>> On Fri, Aug 25, 2017 at 3:01 PM, Rory Conaway < >>>>>>>>> [email protected] > wrote: >>>>>>>>> If you can hang a B5 radio, you can hang a B11. Hell, if you can >>>>>>>>> program a >>>>>>>>> Nanostation Loco, you can hang a B11 and make it work. That’s what I >>>>>>>>> call >>>>>>>>> efficiency in terms of training. >>>>>>>>> Rory >>>>>>>>> From: Af [ mailto:[email protected] ] On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds >>>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, August 25, 2017 12:25 PM >>>>>>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mimosa b11 >>>>>>>>> What I'm getting at is deploying a product without product specific >>>>>>>>> knowledge is >>>>>>>>> not normally a good thing. I understand a radio isn't exactly a >>>>>>>>> rocket ship, >>>>>>>>> but still... >>>>>>>>> PS - Can we have out daily use jetpacks yet? >>>>>>>>> On Aug 25, 2017 2:10 PM, "Rory Conaway" < [email protected] > >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> It’s a huge thing in terms of training and availability if there is >>>>>>>>>> a field >>>>>>>>>> issue. >>>>>>>>>> Rory >>>>>>>>>> From: Af [ mailto:[email protected] ] On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds >>>>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, August 25, 2017 9:42 AM >>>>>>>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mimosa b11 >>>>>>>>>> That's not necessarily a good thing. >>>>>>>>>> On Aug 25, 2017 10:04 AM, "Rory Conaway" < [email protected] > >>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> Seriously, every guy in my company can deploy a B11 with no >>>>>>>>>>> training versus the >>>>>>>>>>> crap we went through with Dragonwave and you are complaining about >>>>>>>>>>> that? >>>>>>>>>>> Rory >>>>>>>>>>> From: Af [ mailto:[email protected] ] On Behalf Of Steve Jones >>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, August 25, 2017 7:29 AM >>>>>>>>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mimosa b11 >>>>>>>>>>> I need 2 if im chucking the first one out the window >>>>>>>>>>> On Aug 25, 2017 8:39 AM, "Rory Conaway" < [email protected] > >>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> BTW, you also only need 1 radio for a spare, not 2. >>>>>>>>>>> Rory >>>>>>>>>>> From: Af [ mailto:[email protected] ] On Behalf Of Steve Jones >>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2017 7:19 AM >>>>>>>>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mimosa b11 >>>>>>>>>>> Thats the gui im saying mimosa makes look good >>>>>>>>>>> On Aug 24, 2017 8:56 AM, "Chuck McCown" < [email protected] > wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> Did you ever use the original ePMP? >>>>>>>>>>> From: Steve Jones >>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2017 10:54 PM >>>>>>>>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mimosa b11 >>>>>>>>>>> ill have to look into browser >>>>>>>>>>> by clunky I mean slow to load, multiple instances where it went to >>>>>>>>>>> the login >>>>>>>>>>> screen for no reason, a junk gui to me is indicative of the gears >>>>>>>>>>> quality, >>>>>>>>>>> unless the gear is designed for cli and gui is an afterthought >>>>>>>>>>> at least its not java, ill give it that >>>>>>>>>>> I guess I'm just babied on saf, fast, never an issue with the >>>>>>>>>>> interface. >>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 23, 2017 at 11:24 PM, Rory Conaway < >>>>>>>>>>> [email protected] > wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> Steve, you are mistaken on a couple of things. I’m not sure how you >>>>>>>>>>> say it’s >>>>>>>>>>> clunky. It’s pretty easy, as are most of the vendors GUI’s. >>>>>>>>>>> As for our statement about the road trip, that is completely false. >>>>>>>>>>> If the AP is >>>>>>>>>>> on the connection side, the client side will always search and >>>>>>>>>>> connect. >>>>>>>>>>> Every manufacturer ships with older firmware so again, I don’t see >>>>>>>>>>> how that is >>>>>>>>>>> any different than anyone else. >>>>>>>>>>> As for the SSID, you have to use Chrome. If you use IE, then the >>>>>>>>>>> save button >>>>>>>>>>> doesn’t pop up. Chrome lets you type in whatever you want. >>>>>>>>>>> Rory >>>>>>>>>>> From: Af [ mailto:[email protected] ] On Behalf Of Steve Jones >>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2017 8:55 PM >>>>>>>>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>>>>>>>> Subject: [AFMUG] mimosa b11 >>>>>>>>>>> very unimpressed thus far and theyre just sitting on my living room >>>>>>>>>>> floor >>>>>>>>>>> web interface is so clunky, pretty well guarantees if a link has >>>>>>>>>>> any issue no >>>>>>>>>>> getting to the other side to reboot it, definite road trip, glad >>>>>>>>>>> these are >>>>>>>>>>> going in a redundant path >>>>>>>>>>> essids reverting to factory... awesome >>>>>>>>>>> I can guarantee we will need two spares because the first time I'm >>>>>>>>>>> going to do a >>>>>>>>>>> replacement after a storm in inclement weather and this stupid 30 >>>>>>>>>>> minute >>>>>>>>>>> process of activating, loading firmwares, all that, the first ones >>>>>>>>>>> getting >>>>>>>>>>> chucked through a window >>>>>>>>>>> seriously, you have to scan essid? you cant just put it in, how >>>>>>>>>>> freaking stupid >>>>>>>>>>> is that. >>>>>>>>>>> now I haven't checked the maps, but I'm pretty confident theres no >>>>>>>>>>> 11ghz link >>>>>>>>>>> going through my house, so a noise floor in the low 80s is pretty >>>>>>>>>>> suspect. >>>>>>>>>>> wondering if my 5ghz ap is the source of that "11ghz" fucking >>>>>>>>>>> upconverts, I >>>>>>>>>>> should have researched more >>>>>>>>>>> the blazing fast speed of the interface is making me have some >>>>>>>>>>> respect for the >>>>>>>>>>> epmp >>>>>>>>>>> reboot time on this "carrier class" product is outstanding, pretty >>>>>>>>>>> sure if I >>>>>>>>>>> ever have to reboot in production ill have time to drive to >>>>>>>>>>> everybodys house >>>>>>>>>>> and let them know whats going on before it comes back up. >>>>>>>>>>> I do like that radiowaves has a mimisa interface for the hp line of >>>>>>>>>>> antennas >>>>>>>>>>> though, so if need be ill just pull it off and put a saf interface >>>>>>>>>>> on.
