Yep, exactly what I said.

On Mon, Sep 25, 2017 at 7:53 AM Faisal Imtiaz <[email protected]>
wrote:

> It is nice to have deep thoughts and conversations about restoring
> internet service.....
>
> May I remind everyone that, We all of the ISP/WISP/NSP are here to serve
> our Customers, and that is how we earn a living...
>
> Yes after Natural disaster event, there are two parallel concerns...
> One.... How do we bring back our service, restore the damage to our
> Infrastructure.
> Two... What is the state of affairs of our customers ?  Do we have any
> left who are able to use the service and pay for it ?
>
> Yes, one can have a fully functional infrastructure, but if the Customers
> (end users) are not in any shape to utilize it or pay for it, then such
> functional infrastructure is of little value.
>
> (I am not being heartless in talking about paying customers, just pointing
> to realities of the situation.. without paying customers, non of us will be
> around... and yes we can do acts of charity, and provide free service for a
> certain duration, but at the end of the day that has to get paid somehow,
> from someone, from somewhere)
>
> These events are not short term issues.. depending on severity they true
> severity of such  disasters  unravel over a period of time... sometimes
> weeks, sometimes months, and in some cases years !
>
> Regards.
>
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> 7266 SW 48 Street
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> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 <(305)%20663-5518>
>
> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 <(305)%20663-5518> Option 2 or Email:
> [email protected]
>
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>
> *From: *"Lewis Bergman" <[email protected]>
> *To: *[email protected]
> *Sent: *Monday, September 25, 2017 8:42:30 AM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Gino
>
> It is possible to build an infrastructure that doesn't rely on anything
> else but what you have, just like the US militay. Problem is you would lose
> your shirt trying to do it. There is only so much you can do that consumers
> will pay for.
>
> On Sun, Sep 24, 2017 at 10:35 PM Colin Stanners <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
> Even for WISPs who are very far from the affected areas, such events are
>> humbling. Customers say "your company can deliver [good, non-satellite]
>> internet where no one else can", but all of us rely fully on the backbone
>> internet connection, usually on a functioning power grid, and need gasoline
>> to power service vehicles. Once those are gone, no matter how we wish or
>> pray, everything is dead in the water.
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Sep 24, 2017 at 4:27 PM, Craig House <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I'm in st Thomas and have been here a week helping a WISP and general
>>> cleanup like orphanages   The power is the major issue.  All poles and
>>> utilities are offline outside of the major port area that has buried
>>> utilities.  Generators are being flown in every day  word here is 6-9
>>> months for power to be restored. Fiber phone and cable providers are
>>> crippled and many of the towers here have most of the equipment not just
>>> damaged but totally missing.  What is there still is water damaged or has
>>> fried Ethernet from water infiltration
>>> But power is the major issue in the USVI also
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Sep 24, 2017, at 16:58, Steve Jones <[email protected]>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> With PR having been on the verge of state bankruptcy, why not, just cut
>>> and run now. use the influx that's inbound to rebuilt and become wealthy,
>>> never have to worry about the statehood thing again. Everybody will have
>>> smartmeters and starbucks
>>>
>>> On Sun, Sep 24, 2017 at 1:00 PM, Jason McKemie <
>>> [email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>> Aruba has a pretty decent wind farm, although they are wealthier than a
>>>> lot of other Caribbean islands.
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sunday, September 24, 2017, Erich Kaiser <
>>>> [email protected]> wrote:
>>>>
>>> I always wondered why the Caribbean islands did not use more wind
>>>>>  and/or solar power.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Erich Kaiser
>>>>> North Central Tower
>>>>> [email protected]
>>>>> Office: 630-621-4804 <(630)%20621-4804>
>>>>> Cell: 630-777-9291 <(630)%20777-9291>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, Sep 24, 2017 at 11:23 AM, Bill Prince <[email protected]>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>> From what I'm hearing, the major issue is power, or the lack thereof.
>>>>>> Existing supplies of fuel for generators, etc. are in extremely short
>>>>>> supply. I've been hearing estimates of 6+ months to restore power, and 
>>>>>> that
>>>>>> may be optimistic.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> bp
>>>>>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 9/24/2017 9:07 AM, [email protected] wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>> I know we are all anxious hoping to hear from Gino.�
>>>>>> �
>>>>>> I wish I still had an HF rig and a decent antenna.� I am wondering
>>>>>> of anyone on here works 20 meters and has heard from folks in PR?
>>>>>> �
>>>>>> Keep hearing of the lack of communication capability there, but 2
>>>>>> meter and HF is pretty much going to work irrespective of any
>>>>>> infrastructure damage.�� Here in Utah, our county emergency center 
>>>>>> has
>>>>>> fully functional HF, VHF and UHF capability.��
>>>>>> �
>>>>>> Actually most of Utah does as well as many groups of LDS church folk
>>>>>> that work with emergency preparedness.�
>>>>>> �
>>>>>> I have never used it, but I know there are HF methods to convey
>>>>>> IP.� Could certainly keep slow speed email going.�
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>

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