Guys, we are ok, lots of damaged and downed towers (all guyded).  Need Gens, 
COWS and manpower (riggers, installers, etc.)

From: Af <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> on behalf of Lewis 
Bergman <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>
Reply-To: "[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>" 
<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>
Date: Monday, September 25, 2017 at 9:00 AM
To: "[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>" <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Gino

Yep, exactly what I said.




Gino A. Villarini


President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

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On Mon, Sep 25, 2017 at 7:53 AM Faisal Imtiaz 
<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
It is nice to have deep thoughts and conversations about restoring internet 
service.....

May I remind everyone that, We all of the ISP/WISP/NSP are here to serve our 
Customers, and that is how we earn a living...

Yes after Natural disaster event, there are two parallel concerns...
One.... How do we bring back our service, restore the damage to our 
Infrastructure.
Two... What is the state of affairs of our customers ?  Do we have any left who 
are able to use the service and pay for it ?

Yes, one can have a fully functional infrastructure, but if the Customers (end 
users) are not in any shape to utilize it or pay for it, then such functional 
infrastructure is of little value.

(I am not being heartless in talking about paying customers, just pointing to 
realities of the situation.. without paying customers, non of us will be 
around... and yes we can do acts of charity, and provide free service for a 
certain duration, but at the end of the day that has to get paid somehow, from 
someone, from somewhere)

These events are not short term issues.. depending on severity they true 
severity of such  disasters  unravel over a period of time... sometimes weeks, 
sometimes months, and in some cases years !

Regards.

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 
Street<https://maps.google.com/?q=7266+SW+48+Street+Miami,+FL+33155&entry=gmail&source=g>
Miami, FL 
33155<https://maps.google.com/?q=7266+SW+48+Street+Miami,+FL+33155&entry=gmail&source=g>
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232<tel:(305)%20663-5518>

Help-desk: (305)663-5518<tel:(305)%20663-5518> Option 2 or Email: 
[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>

________________________________
From: "Lewis Bergman" <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>
To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>
Sent: Monday, September 25, 2017 8:42:30 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Gino
It is possible to build an infrastructure that doesn't rely on anything else 
but what you have, just like the US militay. Problem is you would lose your 
shirt trying to do it. There is only so much you can do that consumers will pay 
for.

On Sun, Sep 24, 2017 at 10:35 PM Colin Stanners 
<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Even for WISPs who are very far from the affected areas, such events are 
humbling. Customers say "your company can deliver [good, non-satellite] 
internet where no one else can", but all of us rely fully on the backbone 
internet connection, usually on a functioning power grid, and need gasoline to 
power service vehicles. Once those are gone, no matter how we wish or pray, 
everything is dead in the water.


On Sun, Sep 24, 2017 at 4:27 PM, Craig House 
<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
I'm in st Thomas and have been here a week helping a WISP and general cleanup 
like orphanages   The power is the major issue.  All poles and utilities are 
offline outside of the major port area that has buried utilities.  Generators 
are being flown in every day  word here is 6-9 months for power to be restored. 
Fiber phone and cable providers are crippled and many of the towers here have 
most of the equipment not just damaged but totally missing.  What is there 
still is water damaged or has fried Ethernet from water infiltration
But power is the major issue in the USVI also

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On Sep 24, 2017, at 16:58, Steve Jones 
<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:

With PR having been on the verge of state bankruptcy, why not, just cut and run 
now. use the influx that's inbound to rebuilt and become wealthy, never have to 
worry about the statehood thing again. Everybody will have smartmeters and 
starbucks
On Sun, Sep 24, 2017 at 1:00 PM, Jason McKemie 
<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> 
wrote:
Aruba has a pretty decent wind farm, although they are wealthier than a lot of 
other Caribbean islands.


On Sunday, September 24, 2017, Erich Kaiser 
<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
I always wondered why the Caribbean islands did not use more wind  and/or solar 
power.


Erich Kaiser
North Central Tower
[email protected]
Office: 630-621-4804<tel:(630)%20621-4804>
Cell: 630-777-9291<tel:(630)%20777-9291>


On Sun, Sep 24, 2017 at 11:23 AM, Bill Prince <[email protected]> wrote:

>From what I'm hearing, the major issue is power, or the lack thereof. Existing 
>supplies of fuel for generators, etc. are in extremely short supply. I've been 
>hearing estimates of 6+ months to restore power, and that may be optimistic.


bp
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On 9/24/2017 9:07 AM, [email protected] wrote:
I know we are all anxious hoping to hear from Gino.ï¿1Ž2
ï¿1Ž2
I wish I still had an HF rig and a decent antenna.ï¿1Ž2 I am wondering of 
anyone on here works 20 meters and has heard from folks in PR?
ï¿1Ž2
Keep hearing of the lack of communication capability there, but 2 meter and HF 
is pretty much going to work irrespective of any infrastructure 
damage.ï¿1Ž2ï¿1Ž2 Here in Utah, our county emergency center has fully 
functional HF, VHF and UHF capability.ï¿1Ž2ï¿1Ž2
ï¿1Ž2
Actually most of Utah does as well as many groups of LDS church folk that work 
with emergency preparedness.ï¿1Ž2
ï¿1Ž2
I have never used it, but I know there are HF methods to convey IP.ï¿1Ž2 Could 
certainly keep slow speed email going.ï¿1Ž2




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