Replied to the wrong thread.  That was supposed to be in response to: “Is the 
list still alive?”

Timing is a bit off today I guess...

Sent: Friday, February 2, 2018 9:56 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ceiling mount AP with best range?


From: Adam Moffett 
Sent: Thursday, February 1, 2018 3:17 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ceiling mount AP with best range?

Nobody's saying you're wrong, but aren't you kind of overbuilding your home 

------ Original Message ------
From: "Josh Reynolds" <>
Sent: 2/1/2018 3:54:42 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ceiling mount AP with best range?

  Again, last time, people need to stop looking for "the most powerful long 
range AP" :) 

  It doesn't matter if the wireless device can hear the AP, it matters that the 
mobile device can talk to the AP with a respectable signal level.

  Remember, you don't want a bunch of low signal devices bringing overall 
capacity down. You don't want your APs to hear nearby APs. You want good TX AND 
RX signal on each device. My UniFi APs are actually set to not let devices 
maintain connection below a -74. I overlap APs accordingly, only only have 2 
using 2.4GHz at all (set to lower power). Everything else is 5GHz.

  I can walk out to the street, walk way out to the street behind my barn, and 
I have coverage everywhere. My APs in the front of the property see the APs in 
the back with around an -84 to -88 depending. Also covers from basement to 
second floor.

  If I upgrade an AP, devices instantly roam to another nearby AP and don't 
drop their stream or sessions.

  On Feb 1, 2018 11:27 AM, "Adam Moffett" <> wrote:

    That's certainly true.

    ------ Original Message ------
    From: "Dan Parrish" <>
    To: "" <>
    Sent: 2/1/2018 12:25:52 PM
    Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ceiling mount AP with best range?

      More gain at the AP doesn't help hidden node problems between handsets.


      On 2/1/2018 11:24 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:

        I'd suggest more Tx Power at the AP doesn't help with the tiny 
handset/laptop.  More gain ought to.

        ------ Original Message ------
        From: "Dan Parrish" <>
        To: <>
        Sent: 2/1/2018 12:21:03 PM
        Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ceiling mount AP with best range?

          I agree that the square original Unifi AC PRO model wasn't the best 
"value," but I used several of them across the street just fine. Was about 200 
feet through at least two exterior stucco walls, so seemed pretty good.

          More gain at the AP doesn't change the physics of the (assumed) 
handset having a tiny antenna with awful radiation patterns. For this reason, I 
don't believe in "long-range" access points nowadays. Where it makes sense, try 
to place two or more access points closer to your usage areas instead of one 
centrally-located one. The days of one access point in the middle of the 
warehouse are over, IMO.


          On 2/1/2018 1:18 AM, TJ Trout wrote:

            I'm talking about the first ever unifi AC ap, it was junk. 

            You had to have line of site to connect to the stupid thing 
(almost), but seriously like 15ft range @ 5ghz, maybe 25ft @ 2.4ghz

            On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 3:48 PM, Josh Baird <> 

              Yes - I can confirm that the new-ish Lites are 802.3af.

              On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 6:25 PM, Eric Kuhnke 
<> wrote:

                I have a bunch of the UAP-AC-LITE (802.11ac, 2x2, dual band) 
which are like $79. The ones I have are 24VDC gigabit only. Have heard that the 
newest shipping version of the same model does support 802.3af power now, which 
is convenient. Don't quite understand how TJ wasn't happy with them being a 

                If you want a properly set up Unifi controller virtual machine 
or physical system on a network, it does take a bit of Linux knowledge to do it 
right, and ensure that it can be continually updated.

                On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 12:18 PM, Josh Baird 
<> wrote:

                  Unifi AC Pro/Lite is just fine.  We use them everywhere.

                  On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 12:35 PM, TJ Trout <> 

                    I guess I need more penetration or another e400, but they 
can't seamlessly roam right?

                    On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 9:06 AM, Dave <> 

                      E400 Hands down.. We are using them every where. 
                      Have not tried new 410 yet but was very impressed with 

                      On 01/31/2018 10:53 AM, TJ Trout wrote:

                        First I started out with Ubiquiti AC AP ceiling mount 
the original version which was a complete flop and waste of money. I didn't 
upgraded to the cambium e400 but I've moved into a larger house now and the 
coverage is not very good.  

                        What is the best option currently for the longest range 
most reliable ceiling mount AP available?




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