I see how you might say that… but we had established the SFP kits back in the PTP 650 days. This was really because there were suspect-quality SFP modules floating around, and we wanted to ensure that water ingress (i.e. weatherproofing) was being done correctly when the fiber connections required extension from the body of the radio.
This will be changing in the near future in that we will start selling the extended gland separately (at a more reasonable price), and no longer require an “entitlement key” to enable the SFP port. In the end, this means that you can buy your own SFP module and use it as you like. Hope this might help change your view. Matt From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Eric Muehleisen Sent: Friday, February 2, 2018 2:49 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA Members] 450m power Unfortunately, Cambium nickel and dimes you to use the SFP port. On Fri, Feb 2, 2018 at 2:21 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) <li...@packetflux.com<mailto:li...@packetflux.com>> wrote: The unique thing about the 450m is the SFP port. The concept would be fiber to each radio for data, and this box would be for power+sync. It would include the GPS antenna in the box, etc. Essentially you'd provide bulk power to this box, run a short CAT5 jumper to each radio for power/management, and a strand of fiber down the tower for management of it all. That would get you management into each of the 450m's and power and sync. For data, you'd put a SFP in each of the 450m's and run that down the tower via fiber. At the bottom, you'd just have a fiber switch and a bulk power source. This box would do double duty with small clusters of 450i. On Feb 2, 2018 10:40 AM, "George Skorup" <george.sko...@cbcast.com<mailto:george.sko...@cbcast.com>> wrote: Could be fine for a tower-top DC+fiber fed injector(+sync)-switch. Same concept as the UBNT edge thing. Consider that something like this would need a 10G uplink if you're going to be powering and timing a 450m cluster. You're probably going to want at least 500Mbps to each sector. So only a 1G pipe up the tower isn't thinking towards the future. Something I think a product like this would need is an integrated voltage regulator. And wasn't something similar kicked around in the past? Instead of a switch, make it a multi port injector+sync with media conversion. A strand or pair per radio. Or even CWDM mux. 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I would have purchased lots. I hate that I have to use a separate switch so we moved away from packetflux for new deployments. TJ On Thu, Feb 1, 2018 at 11:48 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account) <li...@packetflux.com<mailto:li...@packetflux.com>> wrote: I'm assuming you mean includes switch+poe. I'm in the process of working on something specificaly for the 450i/450m with 5 ports and sync hardware all in one box (+1 SFP port), mainly designed for tower top mounting. Not far enough along to say when it will ship, or even if it's ever going to see the light of day. Any other solution you look at, you should make sure that whatever solution you find will support at least 70W per port, and all 4 pairs. Neither the 450i or 450m really care about polarity, unless you're doing sync, and then only on the 450i since the 450m does the new cambium sync only. If you can live with separate poe box, of course the packetflux powerinjector+sync powers 450m's really well. 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