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On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at 7:26 PM, TJ Trout <t...@voltbb.com> wrote:

> Chuck, don't forget to look at the GPON SFP OLT's available.... probably
> cheaper, easier and more efficient than AE these days?
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> On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at 2:56 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
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>> I called Mr. Google at home once, at first they wouldn’t let me talk to
>> him but I explained that our DNS was very slow, finally his housekeeper
>> took the wireless phone out to the pool and he took a few minutes to listen
>> to me.  I wasn’t sure he was really listening to my bitching but it started
>> working later in the day.  So I guess he asked someone to look at it.  I
>> think I still have that matchbook with his number in it...
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>> *From:* Dennis Burgess
>> *Sent:* Monday, February 12, 2018 3:35 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] ISP in a box
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>> I would not state that 8.8.8.8 or any of the public DNS servers out there
>> that state that you can use their DNS servers are bad.  However, think of
>> these two issues:
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>> 1.       What happens when that DNS server returns answers (still
>> responds), just it takes 6000 ms to do so. ?  Who do you contact?
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>> 2.       If you are not paying for it, then what kind of influence can
>> you have on it?   I look at Google. Is google within your circle of
>> influence?   No?  You can’t pick up the phone and call them, you can barely
>> find an e-mail to email them?   And even if you could call them, you are
>> not paying them anything, why do they care what is occurring? They don’t!
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>> DNS is a required function to work on-line, simple as that, if its slow,
>> etc., then it’s your service that’s slow not the DNS servers, hence, why
>> you need a fast responding DNS server.
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>> In this case, using your upstream and caching at the MT is most likely
>> fine and if you wish to put on a full blown DNS server, then you can do so
>> at minimal cost, but don’t use something that you can’t influence.  I can
>> tell people how many times I have found issues with DNS that they don’t own
>> or control; and have little to say about how it operates..   Its wayyy to
>> often.
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>> Dennis Burgess
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>> www.linktechs.net – 314-735-0270 x103 <(314)%20735-0270> –
>> dmburg...@linktechs.net
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>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Sterling Jacobson
>> *Sent:* Monday, February 12, 2018 3:10 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] ISP in a box
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>> I think that was me you asked about those three items.
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>> AND we still use 8.8.8.8 DNS resolvers.
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>> I know, it’s bad, but one of my upstreams is directly on Google CDN so it
>> ‘applies’.
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>> I do like redundancy though.
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>> So if you use one CCR, get two of them for your project, they are
>> relatively cheap.
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>> With fiber you really don’t need the extra servers for bandwidth shaping,
>> I just shape at the CPE or switch port.
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>> So in one cabinet you put say a 144 count panel and splice on, then get a
>> SFP switch and two CCR routers.
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>> I have used the 1036 CCR in some areas to start, and a pair of those
>> running VRRP between them works great.
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>> Plug both into 10Gbps SFP+ ports on the switch/switches and you have
>> ‘standard’ redundancy.
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>> Meaning you can bring in two 10Gbps links, one to each of the CCR units,
>> and have redundant SFP+ links to the switch bank as well.
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>> They have more than enough horse power to run DHCP, NAT, DNS etc between
>> them to fill the duties for the cabinet/site.
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>> Get a UPS, I use Alpha, and four batteries on it should work well.
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>> Cabinet can be 20AMP and run plenty of switches on that.
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>> I also buy an AC unit and attach it to the side of the cabinet.
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>> I put some monitoring in there on a separate managed network to keep
>> track of power and heat/temp and track the switches/CPE’s etc.
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>> That’s about it.
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>> Rinse, repeat.
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>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown
>> *Sent:* Monday, February 12, 2018 1:02 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] ISP in a box
>>
>>
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>> Guess I don’t need DNS.  8.8.8.8 seems cheap and easy...
>>
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>> *From:* Chuck McCown
>>
>> *Sent:* Monday, February 12, 2018 12:59 PM
>>
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>
>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] ISP in a box
>>
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>> Had a subdivision developer contact me, wanting service for their hundred
>> or so homes.
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>> I can get DIA close to the area at a reasonable area.  It will require
>> some build but that is OK, that is something I feel some level of
>> expertise.
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>> Considering a minimal NOC build.
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>> I asked this question of someone once before and I cannot find their
>> answer.  Not sure if asked on the list or not.  But the answer went
>> something like this:
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>>    1. Buy a big CCR.
>>    2. Hire Linktechs to configure it.
>>    3. Put in a big switch for the AE SFPs and rock and roll.
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>> I am sure I would need at least one server.  DHCP, NAT, DNS?
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>> But can all of that be provided by the CCR?
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>> What is the smallest NOC configuration that could be created?
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>> Batts, rectifier, cooling.
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>> I really could put all this in a cabinet on the corner of the street.
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