Check eBay, alibaba etc. On Feb 15, 2018 11:32 PM, "Jon Langeler" <[email protected]> wrote:
> Thanks, and yes, it would be grey market since I'm not willing to pay > nearly double for the supported version. Point taken on the Ubiquiti > support though, I just figured crap support is better than no support. > > Going back to the distributed tap design, how does an OTDR behave with > this kind of setup? Do you need some special software or do you just have > to read it differently? > > Where are you sourcing your FBT splitters? > > > On Thu, Feb 15, 2018 at 10:03 PM, Chris Fabien <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> Without support, yes if you are buying it grey market. But have you ever >> dealt with ubnt support? Last time I tried they were about useless. >> >> Smartolt.com provides a subscription based web gui for the zte OLT. It's >> a nice system, if you are okay trusting that functionality to some guy in >> Romania. The CLI is pretty clunky but you can do it that way too. >> >> >> >> On Feb 15, 2018 10:07 PM, "Jason McKemie" <j.mckemie@veloxinetbroadband. >> com> wrote: >> >>> Thanks for the information. Others were saying the ZTE units are >>> basically without any support, so I thought that might be a potential >>> benefit to the Ubiquiti gear. What do you use to manage the ZTE gear? Is >>> it just CLI? >>> >>> -Jason >>> >>> On Thu, Feb 15, 2018 at 7:37 PM, Chris Fabien <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> The main reason we were initially drawn to ubnt was the outdoor POE >>>> powered ONU. This would let us re-use a lot of wireless installs with cat5 >>>> runs, and it is also how we had previously been doing our activeE FTTH, >>>> with a media converter in the NID. Ubnt initially released a spec saying >>>> the Nano would be rated for -40C. After resting they revised this to >>>> -10C... this told me they didn't design properly and were just hoping it >>>> would work using commercial rated parts, like most of their radios do. Not >>>> confidence building. >>>> >>>> So, if the ONU has to be indoor anyway, the comporable ZTE ONU is less >>>> than half the cost of the ubnt. The OLT is also much cheaper if you fully >>>> load the OLT. The ZTE is also a mature product with features like VOIP in >>>> the ONUs, Multicast IPTV support was another big one for us. Also struggled >>>> with getting the UNMS installed and working properly, and ubnt has a >>>> horrible track record for maintaining their management tools so it was >>>> worrysome to rely on a beta version of their new management platform. >>>> >>>> On Thu, Feb 15, 2018 at 5:48 PM, Jason McKemie < >>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> What were the factors in choosing ZTE over Ubiquiti? >>>>> >>>>> On Wednesday, February 14, 2018, Chris Fabien <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Regarding the distance, our ZTE will support up to 60 km, but max >>>>>> difference of 20km between ONU on one PON. There's just a range parameter >>>>>> that needs to be set. >>>>>> >>>>>> We ordered C+ optics and see a real optical budget of 33dB. The OLT >>>>>> is about +5.5 tx and -34 min rx sensitivity. The ONU about + 0.5 tx and >>>>>> -28 >>>>>> rx sens. >>>>>> >>>>>> I've been very impressed with the optical performance. >>>>>> >>>>>> We did test the ubnt as well. Went with ZTE >>>>>> >>>>>> On Feb 12, 2018 1:23 PM, "Adam Moffett" <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> That's also a compelling point. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> It's not a simple question for sure. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The other reason I would think about GPON is that if a larger >>>>>>> company wanted to purchase our network down the road I have to think >>>>>>> about >>>>>>> what THEY will prefer. They'll probably prefer PON. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Humans are horrible at assessing their own biases, but I probably >>>>>>> have a bias towards ethernet because it's familiar. I try to bear that >>>>>>> in >>>>>>> mind too. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ------ Original Message ------ >>>>>>> From: "Chuck McCown" <[email protected]> >>>>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>>>> Sent: 2/12/2018 1:13:18 PM >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor PON OLT >>>>>>> >>>>>>> When doing full throttle Calix GPON we have about $570 invested in >>>>>>> cpe electronics, splitter, ont/olt/onu etc. Everything but fiber and >>>>>>> outdoor cabinets. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> When doing active Ethernet you can come in closer to $100 per >>>>>>> customer. >>>>>>> For non regulated greenfield, I am having a hard time convincing >>>>>>> myself to do PON. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *From:* Mark - Myakka Technologies >>>>>>> *Sent:* Monday, February 12, 2018 11:09 AM >>>>>>> *To:* Chuck McCown >>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor PON OLT >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Chuck, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> PLC splitter in spice case doing full fusion splicing. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *-- Best regards,Mark * >>>>>>> mailto:[email protected] >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *Myakka Technologies, Inc.*www.MyakkaTech.com >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *------Monday, February 12, 2018, 12:09:32 PM, you wrote:* >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Are you using splitters in splice cases or in cross connect boxes? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *From:* Mark - Myakka Technologies >>>>>>> *Sent:* Monday, February 12, 2018 9:55 AM >>>>>>> *To:* Adam Moffett >>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor PON OLT >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Adam, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> There are some ranging things you have to consider. "The requirement >>>>>>> when deploying ONTs are the maximum distance between two ONTs cannot >>>>>>> exceed 20Km." >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The way we have done this is to reuse fibers as we travel down long >>>>>>> stretches of roads between neighborhoods. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> We will deploy a 1x32 splitter in the field. We will splice that >>>>>>> into the last 3 ribbons/tubes of our fiber. Example, if we were using a >>>>>>> 144 count cable, ribbons 10-12 will be spliced into. After a few miles >>>>>>> depending on density or distance, we will splice in another 1x32 >>>>>>> splitter >>>>>>> to ribbons 10-12. We just keep doing this until we run out of light >>>>>>> budget. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> We build to the lots passed, so we are not trying to optimize max >>>>>>> usage per port. Currently, we average about 50% utilization on our >>>>>>> ports. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *-- Best regards,Mark *mailto: >>>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *Myakka Technologies, Inc.*www.MyakkaTech.com >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *------Monday, February 12, 2018, 11:38:39 AM, you wrote:* >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Maybe I need to review the math. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I was figuring on several small splitters along the route. I didn't >>>>>>> compare to a 1x32 in the cabinet because I figured if I brought every >>>>>>> fiber >>>>>>> back to the cabinet then I didn't save anything versus ethernet. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ------ Original Message ------ >>>>>>> From: "Mark - Myakka Technologies" <[email protected]> >>>>>>> To: "Adam Moffett" <[email protected]> >>>>>>> Sent: 2/12/2018 11:30:46 AM >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor PON OLT >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Adam, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> How far are you going? We are pushing almost 20 miles on a 1x32 >>>>>>> split. Are you using one 1x32 or multiple smaller splitters? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *-- Best regards,Mark *mailto: >>>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *Myakka Technologies, Inc.*www.MyakkaTech.com >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *------Sunday, February 11, 2018, 10:24:30 PM, you wrote:* >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I'm looking at rural areas (like a few houses per mile). As I'm >>>>>>> looking at hypothetical power budgets for PON, I'm finding that if I run >>>>>>> the line down the road and put splitters on the pole I can split 5-6 >>>>>>> times >>>>>>> and then I'm getting too low on db to keep going down the road. At 5 >>>>>>> or so >>>>>>> houses per port, a 1U, 8 port ONT is no denser than a 1U switch. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Your stated reasons for PON are all correct. The numbers just >>>>>>> aren't seeming to work out for me. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I also figure if I install enough fibers for AE, I can still switch >>>>>>> to PON some day if I want to. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> We would never max out the PON port, but looking back on the past 15 >>>>>>> years of growth in consumption I wonder if I should ever say "never". >>>>>>> In AE >>>>>>> I can put 100Gig in every house if I have to. I'll "never" have to do >>>>>>> that >>>>>>> as far as I can imagine, but my imagination could be limited. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -Adam >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ------ Original Message ------ >>>>>>> From: "Josh Reynolds" <[email protected]> >>>>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>>>> Sent: 2/11/2018 9:28:34 PM >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor PON OLT >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> A few reasons... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Port cost is still fairly high. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> More splicing. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> More fiber required. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Larger chassis required. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> More power required. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> More battery backup required. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Consumers not even close to using up 1-2 generations back of PON >>>>>>> capacity in most places. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Sun, Feb 11, 2018 at 7:53 PM, Chuck McCown <[email protected]> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> So, why do PON and not active in these super cheap optics days? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *From:* Chuck Hogg >>>>>>> *Sent:* Sunday, February 11, 2018 6:10 PM >>>>>>> *To: *[email protected] >>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor PON OLT >>>>>>> >>>>>>> We are walking away from them and Alphion...I think Mark's product >>>>>>> with Zhone is different. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>> Chuck >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Sun, Feb 11, 2018 at 2:29 PM, Mike Hammett <[email protected]> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I think Chuck Hogg walked far away from DASAN... or maybe it was >>>>>>> DASAN that rescued them from the one they walked far away form. I don't >>>>>>> remember which. ;-) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ----- >>>>>>> Mike Hammett >>>>>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>>>> *From: *"Jason McKemie" <[email protected]> >>>>>>> *To: *[email protected] >>>>>>> *Sent: *Tuesday, February 6, 2018 4:35:53 PM >>>>>>> *Subject: *[AFMUG] Outdoor PON OLT >>>>>>> >>>>>>> In light of finding out that Calix's offering is not going to be >>>>>>> anywhere near within budget, does anyone else have any other >>>>>>> suggestions? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I found these guys, but have never heard of them: >>>>>>> http://www.richerlink.com/en/products.asp?ClassID=116 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> It looks like DASAN also has an option - I've at least heard of them: >>>>>>> http://www.dasannetworks.com/product_images/V5806_20140520174927.pdf >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -Jason >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>> >
