Hi Jim, I love the mental image of the birds hauling a bike into the air. Orville without a helmet. Definitely retention of flight physics! :-) Colin
On Thu, Jul 4, 2019 at 11:38 PM Jim Bromer <[email protected]> wrote: > I just wanted to say that it seems likely that the Wright brothers (or at > least Orville) believed that they could make a pedal powered flying > bicycle. (I do not mean to be hyper-critical) but it seems very unlikely > that the Wrights thought they could somehow harness birds to get their > bicycle to fly. The thought probably did occur to them but the goal was > (almost certainly) tied to using technology that was available to them: a > machine that could be pedaled to a speed faster than a person could run and > which could be pedaled to travel longer distances than a person could run. > Of course, flying is not the same as bicycling along a smooth road, and a > rough road at the start of the 20th century would not be an efficient > surface to bike on. The Wright model of technological achievement is not > the only model available to us, but it does represent how we need to work > with technology that is available and accessible. The Wrights developed a > wind tunnel and they discovered that the optimal angle of attack of a wing > - or a propeller Orville realized - varied with the speed of the travel, > and Orville discovered this by welding a test contraption on the top of the > handlebars of a bicycle. I am not arguing about the merits of studying > other ways to create AGI, I am only pointing out that our approach is sound > - except that most of us are not actually conducting experiments. > Jim Bromer > > On Thu, Jul 4, 2019 at 7:51 AM Nanograte Knowledge Technologies < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> korrelan >> >> In a generic system of regenerative competency, my theory holds how a >> 'Toolkit' component contributes significantly to the notion of 'Reality'. >> Perhaps then, your 'GTP' correlates to my component named 'Relativity', >> where such a component provides the existential argument for the existence >> of 'Reality' in any, particular context. >> >> Could it be that dementia was nothing more than the train of reality >> going so fast it ended up looking at it's own rear-end reality without >> recognizing it as such? Would any person be able to cognitively declare the >> back of his/her own head as belonging to self? Is this where the spacetime >> continuum possible bends and reality as we know it ends? >> >> Perhaps if dementia were considered purely systemically instead of purely >> in the light of existing knowledge (with reference to your sound >> literature-reviewed approach) about its complex symptomatic constraints? >> >> I'm of the one conviction that one cannot find answers in answers that >> did not contain the knowledge to begin with. What knowledge about dementia >> was reverse engineered from the BOK? >> >> You've obviously built a corresponding 'Toolkit', and many more >> components of such a system of systems. I think your points on >> experimentation are insightful and most valid. Thanks for sharing. >> >> Robert Benjamin >> >> ------------------------------ >> *From:* korrelan <[email protected]> >> *Sent:* Thursday, 04 July 2019 11:21 >> *To:* AGI >> *Subject:* Re: [agi] ARGH!!! >> >> >> Unless you have the spare cash, time and resources then the whole >> argument is moot, and you must find another way of achieving the goals >> within your means. You can negate most of the above by taking a leaf out >> the Wright brothers methodology… take a leap of faith (in yourself) and >> just build the damn thing, make it work… prove it works. >> >> Every now and again I like to take a break from teaching/ designing my >> AGI’s and consider human frailties, and check if my design can simulate the >> symptoms, and/ or give any insights into the prognosis/ diagnosis or cure. >> >> I have a list, roughly ordered by complexity and today it’s the turn of >> terminal or paradoxical lucidity (PL). Paradoxical Lucidity is one of >> natures cruellest tricks, approx 75% of patients with long term dementia >> will fully/ partially become conscious/ lucid shortly before they die. It’s >> a very complex diagnosis that ties into many other conditions and I’m >> greatly over simplifying the topic for the purpose of explanation. >> >> >> https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1552526019300950 >> >> Considering the phenomena in its simplest terms obviously begs the >> question of how this can happen/ function. It seems intuitive that for >> normal (ish) function to return the symptoms of dementia cannot be caused >> by permanent damage/ change, or that something like a build up of amyloid >> plaque is ultimately responsible, but something is impeding consciousness, >> so what could it be. >> >> Keep in mind I have already done this for a myriad of conditions and >> phenomena, so I have insight into how my model behaves/ functions. I’ve >> replicated optical/ audio illusions, pareidolia, schizophrenia, >> hallucinations, hypnotism, meditation (states of mind), epilepsy, >> anaesthesia, NDE, and many more, all with in the same model. >> >> Firstly I read as much empirical information about the subject as >> possible. Then formulate a theory of how those symptoms could arise and >> manifest within my model. I then alter the models balances and test, repeat >> until I get the desired results, making notes all the way. >> >> Within my model memory consolidation and consciousness are extremely >> sensitive to the base frequencies of the Global Thought Pattern (GTP). The >> high dimensional facets of memories are encoded/ indexed by the state of >> the GTP performing the task at hand, consciousness manifests from the >> harmonics within the GTP. >> >> >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dJmdWfDTgLQ >> >> This shows a small section (1.2mm², 0.01%, 10K neurons, 200K synapse) of >> cerebral cortex from my model, I use it for testing hypotheses and it >> encompasses all the functionality of the full model. It’s learned 40K >> memory engram's segmented into 80 pattern concepts along with a regular >> base GTP rhythm. The graph (lower left) function is equivalent to real-time >> colour coded Golgi staining, and shows the confidence the model has in >> recognising the current pattern, shown by the scrolling bar. Notice the >> actual pattern stream/ matrix on the upper right along with the injected >> regular GTP rhythm just below. On the first pass it shows a very high >> confidence in recognising the all patterns, both the episodic sequence >> memories and the memories regarding the pattern structure are being >> recalled/ accessed. On the second pass I change the base frequency of >> just the GTP, notice how the memory retrieval/ recognition becomes >> sporadic. On the third pass I cut the GTP and the confidence totally drops >> even though the 80 patterns are still being injected. I then re-establish >> the GTP and normal operation resumes. This shows how reliant/ sensitive the >> system is to the state of the underlying base GTP frequencies. >> >> The slow onset of dementia hints at the second pass, it’s not like the >> global GTP disruption caused by anaesthetic, so I don’t think it’s an >> imbalance in the neurotransmitter levels/ medium. It must also be >> affecting the well established networks with diminished plasticity; >> otherwise the brain would just adapt to the disruptions and wouldn’t then >> be able to exhibit the PL phenomena. >> >> So one cause of dementia could be an alteration of the base frequencies >> within the GTP, and the PL phenomena could mean that whatever is causing >> the phase change is related to a condition that rises or reduces/ >> diminishes just before death. Allowing the GTP to phase back through its >> normal frequency domain and thus allowing consciousness to temporarily >> return. My current main candidate is intracranial pressure, as altering >> the shape of the connectome can also have adverse effects on the phase of >> the GTP, further pondering is required. >> >> My point being that… although there is no empirical data on how the human >> brain functions it is still possible to gain insights and build a working >> model through experimentation and cross reference, and although this is a >> low resolution insight into the functioning of the brain it hints that so >> far my schema is correct. >> >> Indeed, IMO this is the only way to do it, you have to work the problems. >> Applying/ finding empirical scientific proof of every required step/ >> concept would make the project impossible, especially to a lone researcher >> with limited resources. >> >> :) >> >> *Artificial General Intelligence List <https://agi.topicbox.com/latest>* > / AGI / see discussions <https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi> + > participants <https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/members> + delivery > options <https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/subscription> Permalink > <https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/T87761d322a3126b1-M9792aa54d50d385078621bee> > ------------------------------------------ Artificial General Intelligence List: AGI Permalink: https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/T87761d322a3126b1-M490a06c05f4df42fb29ca1bf Delivery options: https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/subscription
