Let's see if I can reply without weird quote formatting this time ... It doesn't seem to me that you've explained, so much as repeated some of the same things over, though you've added more humility ... that's nice, thank you.
"Who wouldn't [kill other people if there were no negative consequences to oneself]?" I'm optimistic enough to think that the answer is "quite a few wouldn't, actually." But I can tell you this at least: I wouldn't. Supposing that it were possible for me to steal other people's life force in order to live longer, I would not need fear of punishment/retaliation to stop me from doing it. I would not need to enjoy looking at those particular people, or get any other benefit from their continued existence, in order to not do it. I don't want to do it under any circumstances. "Do you **really** need me to show you what happens in the jungle? Or the pig butcher shed?" No, thank you. I'm knowledgeable about what happens in both places ... and I've rejected it. You remember I don't eat meat, right? The fact that certain things happen tells me nothing about whether they *should *happen, so I'm not sure why you mention this, as if it proved something. "For the global system I am part of, [me stealing] may actually be wrong, the better 'gear' who has more skills etc should live, not the gear who doesn't. So in optimal functionality, the program would move resources/life extension towards the more import gears for survival." So ... if some kind of majority judges you to be one of the less important gears, are you prepared to die young? If the system declares you sub-optimal and eats you, will you still think it's a good system? I wouldn't advocate that, but if you agreed to it, you would at least be consistent. "Look, I am a machine and I hate pain, I love reproduction and eating food the most and also AGI - which increases my chances of eating and playing video games and mating etc in the future." Do you care about what any other entity wants, hates, or loves? Not because what they want will indirectly help get you what you want -- no -- I mean do you actually care about *them* and want to get them what *they want* for *their* sake alone? If the answer is "no" ... it's time to learn how. Because it's self-disinterested love ... not eating and mating and the immortality to do it more ... that creates utopia. ------------------------------------------ Artificial General Intelligence List: AGI Permalink: https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/T252d8aea50d6d8f9-Mf5664f2d43c80948182a120c Delivery options: https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/subscription
