On Sun, Aug 6, 2023 at 10:51 PM Matt Mahoney <[email protected]> wrote:
> I agree with YKY that AGI should never have emotions or human rights. Its > purpose is to increase human productivity and quality of life, not to > compete with us for resources. This requires human capabilities, not human > limitations like emotions. It should be prohibited to program AI to claim > to be human or claim to have feelings. > We may not need to specifically prohibit this, as the number of people with such an interest may be relatively small, and they can only pull together meager resources to build a relatively weak AGI. > I think it is admirable that you want to use AGI to end racism. But how > would that work? Humans are universally racist. Everyone chooses their > friends and neighbors from their own culture, language, and ethnic group, > though I can see how AI can overcome language barriers and make > international travel easier. But that won't end the Asian > White > Black > advantage in education, income, life expectancy, and crime that exists > everywhere in the world regardless of which group is in the majority or in > government. I have visited over 50 countries so I know the problem is > worldwide and not just the result of systematic discrimination. In the US, > racial discrimination has been illegal since the 1960's and television has > been portraying a colorblind world since the 1970's with no effect. The > census maps still show people living in segregated neighborhoods. It does > no good to denounce racist attitudes when those attitudes are universal. If > there are genetic differences then they can only be addressed by > interracial mating, but that will take a long time. > I think there is now a global trend for people to collaborate in business across national and ethnic boundaries. I'd even say that no one nowadays thinks global collaboration is anything out of the ordinary. But there are some people who try to postpone such an awakening as much as possible. They include Americans who want to enjoy their tech dominance for a bit longer, and then there are Chinese people who habitually ignore and shunt information they don't want to see or hear. (They are not very intelligent, unlike the Chinese Americans you see, who escaped from this horrible culture.) On economics, technology has always improved quality of life and will > continue to do so by automating our jobs. This won't happen all at once. > There won't be a singularity because the premise of rapid takeoff when > computers exceed human intelligence is false. You can't compare them. > Computers are already a billion times smarter on some tests. When work is > automated our main source of income will be medical testing and selling our > personal data, such as our indoor security video. But our data has value in > proportion to income, which will widen economic inequality. The fix for > this would be UBI, but more likely we will have our complex system of taxes > and benefits, only more complex. Economic inequality is necessary for > growth and will be fastest in the countries with the lowest taxes. > Selling personal medical data? How much is that worth? What's not worth much now will not suddenly be worth a lot in the future just because people lose their jobs. I may be wrong, but my current best conjecture is that the human economy will collapse. The foundation of economics rests on the idea of people "working" or "competing" to earn their rewards. Such "work" is either physical or intellectual labor. When human intelligence is superseded by machines, the value of human labor will quickly diminish. There are some people who successfully establish a symbiosis with AIs and they will out-compete ordinary humans. In the end, and very quickly, only those humans with AI symbiosis will survive, and the rest of humanity will be "left to rot", depending on how much mercy the new species will have towards their old brethrens. On politics, as much as I would like to see Ukraine win and Putin dead, the > reality is the war will drag on for a decade and end with a Russian > autonomous region with borders close to where they are now, similar to the > regions in Georgia and Moldova. The biggest political crisis over the next > 50 years will be the rapidly growing population in Africa putting > immigration pressure on the rest of the world where the population is > shrinking. > What interests me more is whether Russia and China will change as events unfold. I hope the authoritarian regimes will become more liberalized and democratized by popular demand, as the war seems rather unpopular. The population shift will also slow progress toward AGI. When computers > exceed human intelligence in every way, we will prefer their company to > humans and live isolated and alone. I don't believe this will lead to human > extinction because, like it or not, evolution will select for those who > reject technology and women's rights to careers other than motherhood. I > personally believe that women should have the same rights as men, but I > will also die without descendants. > Nope 😊 I guess you missed the main point of my argument: progress and competition will never stop. The humans who are content with low tech and breeding will be out-competed by those who actively use AI. The former will be quickly displaced or made irrelevant. > On immortality, it's not possible in a universe with finite computing > capacity. But life expectancy has been increasing steadily at 0.2 years per > year for the last century. There won't be longevity escape, but you can add > 20% to your remaining life expectancy. You could upload into a virtual > world and then reprogram your mind to a state of maximum utility. But > really, that's the same as death, which you fear only because of evolution. > Why does the Bible use immortality to entice believers? Because most humans desire it. As to limited resources, the solution is to merge our minds with others, and gradually forget useless or less important information. I'm not a gay man personally, but if you think about men and women fusing their minds and then those unisex people fusing with each other, it may not seem so gross 😆 ------------------------------------------ Artificial General Intelligence List: AGI Permalink: https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/T772759d8ceb4b92c-M7874e41da4b50d5c809afc8c Delivery options: https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/subscription
