On Saturday, August 12, 2023, at 12:35 PM, Matt Mahoney wrote: > I am sure you are aware of millionaire celebrities who seem to have > everything and then die young from suicidal behavior like drug overdoses. > > Achieving goals depends on knowledge and computing power, the things we > measure with IQ and academic tests like memory size, learning rate, and > reasoning speed. But your goals, like food, sex, social status, and avoiding > the things that can kill you, are not the goals of evolution. The goal of > evolution is to reproduce as fast as possible. It takes fewer resources to > design animals that fear death for long enough to reproduce and then die. > > You are born fearing pain, heights, large animals, and spiders. You have > illusions of consciousness, qualia, and free will conditioned by positive > reinforcement of computation, input, and output respectively, so you want to > preserve them by not dying. You have an illusion of identity, which says that > copies of you (your children who inherit your knowledge) are not you, that > you are more than your memories. If I presented you with a robot that looks > and acts like you, would you shoot yourself to complete the upload? Or would > your evolved beliefs stop you? > > But to answer your question, high IQ people are better at achieving their > goals, even if it's suicide. We were smart enough to invent birth control. > Smart people (by our definition, not evolution's) can increase their wealth > by not having children. Smart people, unlike children and animals, realize > they will eventually die and can invent rational reasons to take control of > dying and achieve that goal. There were mass suicides in Germany after Hitler > killed himself because people believed their fates would be worse under > occupation. Suicide rates in the US are higher in states with high rates of > gun ownership because other methods usually fail.
But AGIs can easily avoid death and live 10000000x longer than humans AFAIK by merely simply repairing its old parts and using multiple parts to make parts have more reliability. You said rich people realize they will die, so they say hey, i should use my money to get high as ever, even if kills me, so, let's do meth! But, while this is mostly sound as they will die anyway now they jsut are happier, one problem...as said above, AGIs don't need to die, death is not "going to happen" AFAIK, so if they are so smart they should realize: 1) They might make it to the future and be made to be like such AGI. 2) They also in meantime can wait for a better cryonics procedure, or just current one since being repaired makes you still say you are you still and follows the continuity path we seek AFAIK (doesn't freezing the top thin layer called the neocortex preserve easily all our memories and network we care about? It's thin, so it would thaw even from today's procedure, no? Simply take the latest 2 new research papers I located (thankfully) and apply them 2 papers to the top thin layer BEFORE die and then, you would have become immortal, TODAY. ------------------------------------------ Artificial General Intelligence List: AGI Permalink: https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/T772759d8ceb4b92c-Ma152cb40833599fae622a0ec Delivery options: https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/subscription
