John. With one distinction, E8 denies chirality. With that, it now denies (it wasn't its intent back when it started) one of the fundamental mathematical lattices posited as possibly scaffolding reality.
Over the past, few years rehashes by converts and desciples are trying to arbitrarily tie it back into accepted theory, but the very efforts are contrived, not derived. The true benefits lie in its beginnings, was it in 1971, predating String Theory? On the face of it, it has seemingly become a theory that lost its argument as science progressed. It cannot be brute forced back into natural order. In the main, today it doesn't sufficiently match the physical reality. AI advocates seemingly love it. Even so, there's a lot we could learn from it and great ideas we could investigate outside of it, using grounded theorems. Speaking for myself, I'm learning a lot from it's emergent debate about the foundation of the universe and its postulations of quantum phenomena, such as SUSY. On Sun, Dec 14, 2025 at 10:40 AM John Rose via AGI <[email protected]> wrote: > On Saturday, December 13, 2025, at 1:05 PM, Matt Mahoney wrote: > > The models described in the paper (which I admit I don't fully understand) > reduces the description length of our universe by a few bits and suggests > the existence of some particles and fields yet to be discovered. The author > suggests they haven't been found yet because they may have very large > masses, but the theory doesn't predict their values. It doesn't predict any > other particle masses, for that matter. It does not explain why space has 3 > dimensions. It does not explain why time has a direction, when both > relativity and quantum mechanics are symmetric with respect to time. > > > The E8 symmetric algebraic geometry is pre-time and pre-mass, > information-flat. You have to break the symmetry a particular way to get > entropy and primes. "Particle mass measures the amount of irreducible > information locked into a chiral correlation." Either the structure works > or needs to be further modified to map to physics correctly. > > *Artificial General Intelligence List <https://agi.topicbox.com/latest>* > / AGI / see discussions <https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi> + > participants <https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/members> + > delivery options <https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/subscription> > Permalink > <https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/T7ff992c51cca9e36-Mebe34b5ae30ffa95909c0538> > ------------------------------------------ Artificial General Intelligence List: AGI Permalink: https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/T7ff992c51cca9e36-Mfffc5b4a3c46bc726f1aa828 Delivery options: https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/subscription
