On Sunday, December 14, 2025, at 5:02 AM, Quan Tesla wrote: > Over the past, few years rehashes by converts and desciples are trying to > arbitrarily tie it back into accepted theory, but the very efforts are > contrived, not derived. The true benefits lie in its beginnings, was it in > 1971, predating String Theory? On the face of it, it has seemingly become a > theory that lost its argument as science progressed. It cannot be brute > forced back into natural order. In the main, today it doesn't sufficiently > match the physical reality. AI advocates seemingly love it.
I love it, it takes me back to my roots. In 1997 I was inspired by a similar symmetric structure that I intuited where all language/automata flows out of, far less detail, at the time I didn’t know what I was aiming for after being a visual artist pursuing a type of what they call automatic drawing and had studied some particle physics, which was popular, there was a book “From Atoms to Quarks” by James Trefil. Then in 1998 Google (Googleplex) formed and I heard Ben Goertzel and company were building WebMind, I thought it was bold and ambitious, was going around showing everybody. They were in NY I had just moved to Seattle from NY. Then that financial cycle ended, the dot com boom, and he wrote his essay “Waking up from the Economy of Dreams”. Now AGI is in a new dream perhaps it won’t end as abruptly. When the dream is running all possibilities exist and you assume that life will always be that way. How could it end? The movie “The Matrix” came out, I left Seattle, people started thinking differently… I didn’t know about E8 until you pointed out that the particles could be represented as a maximally compact symmetry group even if there are issues. AI people like it because of that abstract simplification verses an irregular starting point. ------------------------------------------ Artificial General Intelligence List: AGI Permalink: https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/T0d840bee0a7dbece-M9c77d20f0114b5dcd6b30fa0 Delivery options: https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/subscription
