John I loved the late 1990's. KM became a thing, online collab a greater thing, and we were all starry eyed with the paradigm shift. It was a brief spell of rennaissance. I've been surfing that wave ever since, sometimes in quantum mode, sometimes not.
We could have reasoning AGI if we really wanted to. The theory is complete, but that's not what is really needed. I hear skunkworx teams are working on ASI. ASI is the real goal. I guess, by its purest definition, AGI has already been achieved via AI-robotics. Today, I again learned how the wavefunction is central to all of physics, biology, chemistry, cosmology, information (consciousness), but not mathematics. For myself, I resolved the geometry vs number paradox. When the geometry was derived from the math, and impossible to do in reverse, number theory won out. On Mon, Dec 15, 2025 at 1:57 PM John Rose via AGI <[email protected]> wrote: > On Sunday, December 14, 2025, at 5:02 AM, Quan Tesla wrote: > > Over the past, few years rehashes by converts and desciples are trying to > arbitrarily tie it back into accepted theory, but the very efforts are > contrived, not derived. The true benefits lie in its beginnings, was it in > 1971, predating String Theory? On the face of it, it has seemingly become a > theory that lost its argument as science progressed. It cannot be brute > forced back into natural order. In the main, today it doesn't sufficiently > match the physical reality. AI advocates seemingly love it. > > > I love it, it takes me back to my roots. In 1997 I was inspired by a > similar symmetric structure that I intuited where all language/automata > flows out of, far less detail, at the time I didn’t know what I was aiming > for after being a visual artist pursuing a type of what they call automatic > drawing and had studied some particle physics, which was popular, there was > a book “From Atoms to Quarks” by James Trefil. Then in 1998 Google > (Googleplex) formed and I heard Ben Goertzel and company were building > WebMind, I thought it was bold and ambitious, was going around showing > everybody. They were in NY I had just moved to Seattle from NY. Then that > financial cycle ended, the dot com boom, and he wrote his essay “Waking up > from the Economy of Dreams”. Now AGI is in a new dream perhaps it won’t end > as abruptly. When the dream is running all possibilities exist and you > assume that life will always be that way. How could it end? The movie “The > Matrix” came out, I left Seattle, people started thinking differently… > > I didn’t know about E8 until you pointed out that the particles could be > represented as a maximally compact symmetry group even if there are issues. > AI people like it because of that abstract simplification verses an > irregular starting point. > > *Artificial General Intelligence List <https://agi.topicbox.com/latest>* > / AGI / see discussions <https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi> + > participants <https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/members> + > delivery options <https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/subscription> > Permalink > <https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/T0d840bee0a7dbece-M9c77d20f0114b5dcd6b30fa0> > ------------------------------------------ Artificial General Intelligence List: AGI Permalink: https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/T0d840bee0a7dbece-Mde06bfc3cdb27569c81036d0 Delivery options: https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/subscription
