Ben P.S. -

I can part understand, part forgive your, culturally extremely widespread, reluctance to think physically and visually.

But what is truly insane is your and the general inability to see that logic produces utterly trivial results in relation to the real world, and is totally INCAPABLE OF ANY **NEW** CONCLUSIONS/IDEAS - wh. are the stuff of AGI.

My (and everyone's) ability to produce all kinds of new ideas about how Sue and Jane might have met at the clinic, is an embodied affair.

In the final analysis, logic is tautological:

This Will Make You Smarter (John Brockman)
Bart Kosko:

The catch is that we can really only prove tautologies. The great binary truths of mathematics are still logically equivalent to the tautology 1 = 1 or Green is green. This differs from the factual statements we make about the real world-statements such as "Pine needles are green" or "Chlorophyll molecules reflect green light." These factual statements are approximations. They are technically vague or fuzzy. And they often come juxtaposed with probabilistic uncertainty: "Pine needles are green with high probability." Note that this last statement involves triple uncertainty. There is first the vagueness of green pine needles because there is no bright line between greenness and non-greenness-it is a matter of degree. There is second only a probability whether pine needles have the vague property of greenness. And there is last the magnitude of the probability itself. The magnitude is the vague or fuzzy descriptor "high," because here, too, there is no bright line between high probability and not-high probability.

Logic doesn't even have concepts (like "green") - as, essentially, Kosko is indicating above.

Our ability to come up with new ideas is founded on our *body* and its PHYSICAL MOBILITY - we can simulate ourselves (and by extension others and other objects) moving along altogether new lines. We also have SENSORY MOBILITY - an ability to flex and repaint our sensory images in our reflective imagination, and so interpret concepts like "green" flexibly and change the shade, tint, colour etc in our minds.

As I said, you can just look at all the examples of logic used in AI textbooks, like your Sue and Jane, and see that they are all toy stuff. There are no examples of logic being real world productive.


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