In addition, the first prototype does not need to be entirely analog. Steve's terms of "weak AGI" and "strong AGI" make sense in this context, *he is making history *. Indeed, the "weak AGI" framework does not seem to move far from current AI, it is limited by: (i) the Turing framework; (ii) fairly good math components added on a distorted interpretation of experimental data - many biological misconceptions - digital spike, the connectionist paradigm - everything is between neurons -- completely untrue!
Dorian On Tue, Jul 10, 2012 at 1:49 PM, Sergio Pissanetzky <[email protected]>wrote: > Steve,**** > > ** ** > > you are not alone. How big can one go with an FPGA that is currently > available? 1K? 10K? 10K would already be nearing some practical > applications with EI, but 100K would be better. I am thinking EI because I > am sure that, if EI can be demonstrated for example in image recognition, > then it would attract attention immediately, including the chip makers. > "General computation" is too vague. Or, better, I propose to start "general > computation" with EI, then one could expand. **** > > ** ** > > Also, personally I believe this would be "hyper-Turing" but I would be > very careful with that term because there is too mych hype about it. Ben > has strong reasons why it is better not to use the term for now. I am very > happy that such things can be calculated, and there is plenty of time to > find out if they are hyper or not. **** > > ** ** > > Do you do these things? Do you build analogs from components? I don't have > any money, but just saying. **** > > ** ** > > Sergio**** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > *From:* Steve Richfield [mailto:[email protected]] > *Sent:* Tuesday, July 10, 2012 2:48 PM > > *To:* AGI > *Subject:* Re: [agi] Analog Computation**** > > ** ** > > Sergio,**** > > On Tue, Jul 10, 2012 at 12:30 PM, Sergio Pissanetzky < > [email protected]> wrote:**** > > how do you do millions with analogs? **** > > > The technology is well known and would be fairly easy to build, but the > chips aren't (yet) available because there is no market (yet) for them!!! > This is obviously a chicken-or-egg problem. > > Basically, you would build it just like an FPGA, where the > interconnections are made with programmed transmission gates. However, > instead of switching logic gates, you would be switching integrators and > other analog building blocks. > > Note that people have already done this, but switched "artificial neuron > synapses" instead of more general purpose analog building blocks. > > Such a device attached to a PC as an outboard processor could enable > really general purpose hyper-Turing computation at pretty much full > unhindered speeds. I see the promise here, but so far I seem to stand alone > in this. > > Steve**** > > *AGI* | Archives <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now> > <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/18883996-f0d58d57>| > Modify<https://www.listbox.com/member/?&;>Your Subscription > **** > > <http://www.listbox.com>**** > > ** ** > *AGI* | Archives <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now> > <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/17795807-366cfa2a> | > Modify<https://www.listbox.com/member/?&;>Your Subscription > <http://www.listbox.com> > ------------------------------------------- AGI Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/21088071-c97d2393 Modify Your Subscription: https://www.listbox.com/member/?member_id=21088071&id_secret=21088071-2484a968 Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com
