Steve:My point was that while a tractor may be interesting, it is not on the way to building a supercomputer. A robot that can navigate any terrain of a given kind is a general machine - something that doesn't exist.
It's called a farm tractor. Once you put them in gear, they can crawl over almost anything. Steve, This is an awesome remark - you don't understand AGI, period. A tractor is not an AGI - it doesn't work without a human driver.; The human is the AGI. [That's about the most basic error you can make in AGI]. There is no such thing yet as a general machine - a robot for example that can navigate "blind" *any* terrain within a broad band - and not just, as present, one terrain that has been carefully preplotted for it and that it is totally familiar with. Or a robot that can *handle* any object "blind". Produce a robot that can do that and you have the beginnings of an AGI and we can move on from there. That, very crudely, in principle, is how evolution did it That is how all technological evolution proceeds. "Uploading" is neither a practical problem nor an AGI problem - it is a fantasy problem for the extraordinarily distant future, and superwoolly And your entire debate about the relevance of maths for AGI is fantasy through and through. Get practical. Start with the end-problems. AGI investors will quite rightly want to know what your machine can *do*, not what maths it uses.Serious invention (as distinct from pure fantasy discussions) begins from the practical end-problems/tasks a machine has to be designed for. From: Steve Richfield Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2012 5:44 AM To: AGI Subject: Re: [agi] Analog Computation Mike, On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 6:01 PM, Mike Tintner <[email protected]> wrote: It's weak AGI, Steve. You have to start somewhere, and you have to start simple. My point was that while a tractor may be interesting, it is not on the way to building a supercomputer. A robot that can navigate any terrain of a given kind is a general machine - something that doesn't exist. It's called a farm tractor. Once you put them in gear, they can crawl over almost anything. An extraordinary breakthrough. Now here's a simple bet for you - you can't give me a single practical example of what the AGI you are talking about will do. Uploading/downloading may be worth MORE than the combined wealth of the entire earth!!! How? because people would borrow on their futures to be "alive" to have a future. You're talking about this-and-that maths, but you haven't got a clue about any practical problems - demonstrably AGI problems - that your maths would apply to. There are some challenges with the concept of "practical". Our world already has enough good machines for us all to live a good life. Beyond that, you are looking more at "valuable" than "practical", where the measure is whatever people will pay money for, regardless of what the item does. Here, uploading/downloading is clearly the really BIG winner. Given the financial success of cryonics, you don't have to actually have it working for it to be valuable - just have an apparently clear development path. Steve AGI | Archives | Modify Your Subscription ------------------------------------------- AGI Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/21088071-c97d2393 Modify Your Subscription: https://www.listbox.com/member/?member_id=21088071&id_secret=21088071-2484a968 Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com
