On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 8:06 AM, Steve Richfield <[email protected]>wrote:
> *Is there anyone else here on this forum who groks what what Mike is > trying to say, and can say it in a way that makes at least SOME sense? * > > > I highly doubt it. What I think is happening, psychosomatic considerations aside, is that quite a few people, myself and Mike included, think that you cannot get from from math to reality and cognition without a touch of "magic", though it is very hard to say what this magic would be. Certainly a compressionist like Matt would say hey, all the hocus pocus is in complexity and massive statistical power. Even though I have been an enemy of Object Oriented Programming for a long time, I have also admitted previously that a bit of the magic may lie in the extreme bias of human-level cognition for objects/entities/individuals/notions. We are extremely good (to a fault) at recognizing the "boundaries" of an organism we are looking at, the organs in a piece of music, and all kinds of things in a huge problem space, and that's not even taking into account that they all arise from a particle or superstring soup, physics tell us. Not to mention that those traces of the Higgs boson experiments become "a very small ball" in our mind, or that a transparent neon-gold-hydrogen ball now enters your mind without ever having entered the physical world. And then nature's ability to create individuals such as rivers, which however "you cannot cross twice". It goes on forever. Of course you were discussing reasoning/action rather than perception, but I can't help thinking that action is choosing a more or less random "best fit" sequence/Monte Carlo simulation that (hopefully) takes us from perceived state A to imagined perceived state B. Not unlike several of recent pieces of film and fiction, a state A meeting a new/unkown tiger in a new/unknown forest with your new/unknown ability to climb/outrun/outscream/outmuscle the tiger leads to a few fantasy scenarios and you quickly find yourself trying to implement B (you having safely returned inside the jeep with doors and windows shut) while reverting to other fantasy sequences and states if B becomes unlikely with more recent data. This "deep, real-time and reactive" view of cognition suggests that, from the software engineering point of view, a "stream processing" approach may not be so bad, e.g. https://github.com/nathanmarz/storm . An added benefit is that before your stream architecture matches the human intellect it could match the reflexes of financial professionals and make you rich if you turn it loose on financial data. AT ------------------------------------------- AGI Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/21088071-c97d2393 Modify Your Subscription: https://www.listbox.com/member/?member_id=21088071&id_secret=21088071-2484a968 Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com
