Obviously you didn't get my point about the English at all. I extensively used Mathematical formulas in my 2 x third year Econometrics courses at University but not many people would call Economics, Math. If you don't understand my argument by now, I am sure any more examples by me won't let you see the light. Mathematics in some ways is like a language that describes things that belong to other areas of study. Computer Science is one of those areas. Some Math has been used to describe some things in CS but that doesn't mean that CS is a branch of Mathematics. I have given some examples already that show that CS has many techniques, organizations and priorities that are not Math. If you wish to win this argument, then you must show why my points are incorrect. It is not legitimate to just ignore my points.
Mathematical constructs are NOT the basis for what we do! You state this as a conclusion, as if you need no arguments to back it up. Wrong. If I can show there is at least 1 non Math construct in CS, then your statement is false. I have already provided some and I know of a huge number of constructs that are CS but not Math. There are rules to arguments. Just stating conclusions is not an argument. Intelligent people have a duty to each other to debate issues using facts (points that are not in dispute) and logic and if you want to argue with me, you actually do need to follow the rules. If normal argument rules aren't followed in normal or average discourse, that doesn't mean that is acceptable between intelligent people. David Clark PS This is supposed to be a list of people who exchange ideas about creating Artificial General Intelligence, how can intelligence be created when the simple rules of intelligent debate aren't followed? From: Aaron Hosford [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: January-08-13 12:06 AM To: AGI Subject: Re: [agi] Why Logic & Maths Have Sweet FA to do with Real world reasoning I challenge you to describe something in a foreign language that can't be formulated in English? If necessary, I will just incorporate whatever foreign word you say into English to make sure I win! Obviously every language is English, right? I'm glad you see my point. If you want to say such-and-such technical subject isn't mathematical, sorry, the game is rigged. The word "mathematics" is inherently inclusive of such things by definition. So who should design projects in CS, Mathematicians or Computer Scientists? Should the point of view used to define a program depend on CS concerns like efficiency, the real world etc or should it depend on theoretically perfect Mathematical constructs? Definitely Computer Scientists should write code, not Mathematicians. (I've seen some awful examples firsthand, unfortunately.) Just because we use their tools doesn't mean they know the subject material. The theoretically perfect mathematical constructs are the basis for what we do, but practical experience is necessary for anyone to succeed at anything nontrivial, and CS is certainly nontrivial. I just don't think we get our due respect! I'm not arguing here! But that doesn't negate the fact that computation is inherently mathematical, either. ------------------------------------------- AGI Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/21088071-f452e424 Modify Your Subscription: https://www.listbox.com/member/?member_id=21088071&id_secret=21088071-58d57657 Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com
