Mike,

I'm going to have to bow out of this conversation; there is just too large a 
distance between how we think about these things, and I don't get anything from 
it.  I don't necessarily disagree with your basic judgment about which parts of 
cognitive science are the most fruitful, but you interpret them and apply them 
in such strange and useless ways... When you write:

> What do you think image schemas, on which cognitive
> embodied science is founded, are made of ... but lines?

I just don't even know where to begin, except to say that image schemas are 
only "made of lines" in the most superficial way; it's like saying language is 
made of lines because that is how we write it down.

I was happier with the idea of maps because maps are abstract correspondences 
(of an interesting type) between an internal representation and the domain 
being mapped; that correspondence is the important thing.  "Line", especially 
the way you use the word, is not nearly as useful a concept.  "Path" or "Link" 
would be better than "Line" as parts of a framework for thinking about thinking.

Just one last thing, which I really hope you manage to get someday:

> The key difficulty here is that you seem to be still thinking of *computer
> programs* - rather than robots.

A robot is still controlled by a computer program.  You don't get away from the 
difficult issues of AGI by giving a computer a body.  I believe it is a good 
idea because of the richness of the connection between program and world that 
is provided by the sensory and and motor capacities of such embodiment, but it 
still runs a program which is what interprets the sensory data and tells the 
motors what to do (provided that it is not some radically new design -- which 
would be fine, but needs to explained).

The task of AGI is to write a computer program (or build a device out of some 
other tangible specifiable concrete "stuff").  Yes, it is a challenge to get 
programs to do what is needed, but that is exactly the challenge that defines 
AGI as an area of study.

Derek Zahn


                                          

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