On 30.07.2013, at 02:18, Jim Bromer <[email protected]> wrote:

> I am interested in discussing AGI, not because I have it all figured out, but 
> because I don't.
>  
> You started to say: "Simple learning, statistics transcending..."

Yes, but as a public forum, in addition to its entertainment and social value, 
it obliges us to uphold high standards of work and homework, and it is doubtful 
the most frequent posters have been keeping these high standards. And those few 
here who have simple solutions and simple refutations would be better off 
delivering them but not too often, obviously repetition after a point is not a 
virtue, rather a low standard.

Now, can I "see" a mind without statistics (or equivalent generative code)? No, 
at least not until someone provides a deep and surprising explication of the 
normal distribution. Even if you start life with a statistics-free mind and 
just go out looking for resources, let's say looking for apples on apple trees, 
or water in water holes, you will stumble upon the normal distribution, first 
you walk into a couple of apple trees here and there, then into a cluster, you 
reach a plateau and then decline again. What could be simpler! It should come 
right after me Tarzan, you Jane!

It is telling how indispensable random number generators are in most kinds of 
scientific code. I have previously remarked that unpredictability is probably a 
desirable feature in complex cognitive and social systems, while someone here 
kind of missed the point and replied that unpredictability is merely the result 
of complexity. Now, we do have a substantial statistical toolbox that we have 
not really deployed towards AGI, the main reason being its difficulty capturing 
generative, recursive, self-similar models: the reason the word "models" 
appears in these two specific locations in this paragraph is not to be 
explained by a Gaussian mix or any other probabilistic tool, it is all grammar 
and syntax.

Bring it on!

AT


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