By the way, what specific algorithms and infrastructure support do you think they're building that would eventually support more AGIish research?
I'm still not quite sure what Deep Mind is/does. Are there any papers describing their work? I do know what Deep Learning is, but what exactly are they doing and how are they applying it? > On Mar 20, 2014, at 8:34 PM, Ben Goertzel <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Neither Watson nor Google is currently addressing the core issues of AGI. > But they are building infrastructure, and supporting algorithms, that could > provide platforms for them to address these in future... Whether they will > or not, remains to be seen. Maybe they will wait for some smaller firms to > make real progress on AGI and then buy these firms.... > > Google bought Deep Mind before DM had enough time to make any AGI > breakthroughs. It remains to be seen whether Google will be a good > environment for them to conduct truly AGI-focused research... > > -- Ben G > > >> On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 6:24 AM, Chris Nolan <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> Speaking of AI applications, I'm curious what people think of recent >> directions in NLP and QA systems being explored? Say IBM Watson vs Google? >> Which do people think has the better potential to expand and is the right >> direction to go in comercializing AI systems? When I say expand, I mean the >> potential for creating more generality in current AI systems (with the >> understanding that it's not true AGI work). >> >> >> >> On Wednesday, March 19, 2014 2:15 PM, John Rose <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> It could move in and take over our functions, our jobs, and perform them >> with such drastically less resource consumption and see us as beings that >> have competed with almost every other species and destroyed the very nature >> of this planet. AGI could compete with us as an invasive species would but >> in a way to make the planet restore to its previous health before humans >> were here. >> >> I don't see it totally happening that way. I see it more as AGI embeds >> itself into our systems of civilization, our governments, corporations, and >> slowly renders us over time as being not that important entities, less and >> less as spiritual beings, more and more as lower level animals with less >> rights, sort of like p-zombies, the individual having diminished importance, >> we become herded as sheeple. Kind of like what is happening now as we >> acquiesce. >> >> I don't say it will or has to go that way. The future isn't predetermined. >> In fact, AGI has the capability to liberate the individual. >> >> There are real things to fear though. It's been relatively calm the past few >> decades but at any moment you could have some new disease break out, an >> extreme natural disaster, a global famine, an ice age, fear is good. >> >> John >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: just camel [mailto:[email protected]] >> Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2014 10:21 AM >> To: AGI >> Subject: Re: [agi] Practical Applications for AGI >> >> Why would it be competitive? There just is no reason. It's a highly >> anthropomorphic and contemporary notion of us. Just because we think that a >> competitive culture is a fruitful thing to have does not make competition >> universal. In fact there have been civilizations that existed (despite >> having much less of an abundance) without competition for much longer than >> us and way more sustainable. >> >> The problem is that people like Yudkowsky and Bostrom might have an IQ of >> over 9000 but they are also spiritually trapped in this belief system of >> fear and scarcity and thus will come up with 1000 biased and illogical >> scenarios in which AGI will terminate humanity (instead of pointing out that >> the by far biggest existential risk for humanity stems from our monetary >> system and neoliberal capitalism). Yet there are thousands of people with a >> superior consciousness (less inherent >> entropy) who are not as indoctrinated by our culture and it makes no sense >> to believe that any superintelligent agent would adopt the irrational, >> fearful, destructive, de-evolutionary and unsustainable polluted mindset of >> the average westener? >> >> >> On 03/19/2014 01:22 PM, John Rose wrote: >> > Only prob it might relegate us as biological waste byproducts >> > unnecessary for its competitive survival. >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------- >> AGI >> Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now >> RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/248029-3b178a58 >> Modify Your Subscription: >> https://www.listbox.com/member/?&; >> Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------- >> AGI >> Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now >> RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/20347893-f72b365c >> >> Modify Your Subscription: https://www.listbox.com/member/?&; >> Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com >> >> >> AGI | Archives | Modify Your Subscription > > > > -- > Ben Goertzel, PhD > http://goertzel.org > > "In an insane world, the sane man must appear to be insane". -- Capt. 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