On 3/20/14, CN <[email protected]> wrote: > Yeah, from what I've read I think you're right. The perception is probably > more PR and hype, I wonder if that'll hurt them by raising expectations too > high? On the technical side and evaluating their approaches though, it > almost to a degree gets to the question of statistical and algorithmic based > approaches to NLP versus more pure AI related approaches? >
There is a lot of hype right now about AI, I think to some extent justified. I guess there could be another AI winter if things seem to plateau. Yesterday I think I mixed up what google was doing and this Denver company: http://www.zdnet.com/talking-deep-learning-with-alchemyapi-ceo-elliot-turner-7000027496/?s_cid=e539&ttag=e539&ftag=TRE17cfd61 Anybody have comments about this effort? > -Chris > >> On Mar 20, 2014, at 9:12 PM, Mike Archbold <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> I get the feeling the public perceives Watson as general intelligence, >> since they seem to be pursuing multiple application areas. I was just >> reading about Deep Mind, and again it is billed as the core of an AI >> stack. But, in both cases, they still need considerable programming >> per specific domain, if I understand correctly what I read about these >> approaches. >> >>> On 3/20/14, Ben Goertzel <[email protected]> wrote: >>> Neither Watson nor Google is currently addressing the core issues of >>> AGI. >>> But they are building infrastructure, and supporting algorithms, that >>> could >>> provide platforms for them to address these in future... Whether they >>> will >>> or not, remains to be seen. Maybe they will wait for some smaller firms >>> to >>> make real progress on AGI and then buy these firms.... >>> >>> Google bought Deep Mind before DM had enough time to make any AGI >>> breakthroughs. It remains to be seen whether Google will be a good >>> environment for them to conduct truly AGI-focused research... >>> >>> -- Ben G >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 6:24 AM, Chris Nolan >>> <[email protected]>wrote: >>> >>>> Speaking of AI applications, I'm curious what people think of recent >>>> directions in NLP and QA systems being explored? Say IBM Watson vs >>>> Google? >>>> Which do people think has the better potential to expand and is the >>>> right >>>> direction to go in comercializing AI systems? When I say expand, I mean >>>> the >>>> potential for creating more generality in current AI systems (with the >>>> understanding that it's not true AGI work). >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Wednesday, March 19, 2014 2:15 PM, John Rose >>>> <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> It could move in and take over our functions, our jobs, and perform >>>> them >>>> with such drastically less resource consumption and see us as beings >>>> that >>>> have competed with almost every other species and destroyed the very >>>> nature >>>> of this planet. AGI could compete with us as an invasive species would >>>> but >>>> in a way to make the planet restore to its previous health before >>>> humans >>>> were here. >>>> >>>> I don't see it totally happening that way. I see it more as AGI embeds >>>> itself into our systems of civilization, our governments, corporations, >>>> and >>>> slowly renders us over time as being not that important entities, less >>>> and >>>> less as spiritual beings, more and more as lower level animals with >>>> less >>>> rights, sort of like p-zombies, the individual having diminished >>>> importance, >>>> we become herded as sheeple. Kind of like what is happening now as we >>>> acquiesce. >>>> >>>> I don't say it will or has to go that way. The future isn't >>>> predetermined. >>>> In fact, AGI has the capability to liberate the individual. >>>> >>>> There are real things to fear though. It's been relatively calm the >>>> past >>>> few >>>> decades but at any moment you could have some new disease break out, an >>>> extreme natural disaster, a global famine, an ice age, fear is good. >>>> >>>> John >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: just camel [mailto:[email protected]] >>>> Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2014 10:21 AM >>>> To: AGI >>>> Subject: Re: [agi] Practical Applications for AGI >>>> >>>> Why would it be competitive? There just is no reason. It's a highly >>>> anthropomorphic and contemporary notion of us. Just because we think >>>> that >>>> a >>>> competitive culture is a fruitful thing to have does not make >>>> competition >>>> universal. In fact there have been civilizations that existed (despite >>>> having much less of an abundance) without competition for much longer >>>> than >>>> us and way more sustainable. >>>> >>>> The problem is that people like Yudkowsky and Bostrom might have an IQ >>>> of >>>> over 9000 but they are also spiritually trapped in this belief system >>>> of >>>> fear and scarcity and thus will come up with 1000 biased and illogical >>>> scenarios in which AGI will terminate humanity (instead of pointing out >>>> that >>>> the by far biggest existential risk for humanity stems from our >>>> monetary >>>> system and neoliberal capitalism). Yet there are thousands of people >>>> with >>>> a >>>> superior consciousness (less inherent >>>> entropy) who are not as indoctrinated by our culture and it makes no >>>> sense >>>> to believe that any superintelligent agent would adopt the irrational, >>>> fearful, destructive, de-evolutionary and unsustainable polluted >>>> mindset >>>> of >>>> the average westener? >>>> >>>> >>>>> On 03/19/2014 01:22 PM, John Rose wrote: >>>>> Only prob it might relegate us as biological waste byproducts >>>>> unnecessary for its competitive survival. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------------------- >>>> AGI >>>> Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now >>>> RSS Feed: >>>> https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/248029-3b178a58 >>>> Modify Your Subscription: >>>> https://www.listbox.com/member/?&; >>>> Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------------------- >>>> AGI >>>> Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now >>>> RSS Feed: >>>> https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/20347893-f72b365c >>>> >>>> Modify Your Subscription: https://www.listbox.com/member/?&; >>>> Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com >>>> >>>> >>>> *AGI* | Archives <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now> >>>> <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/212726-deec6279> | >>>> Modify<https://www.listbox.com/member/?&;>Your Subscription >>>> <http://www.listbox.com> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Ben Goertzel, PhD >>> http://goertzel.org >>> >>> "In an insane world, the sane man must appear to be insane". -- Capt. >>> James >>> T. Kirk >>> >>> "Emancipate yourself from mental slavery / None but ourselves can free >>> our >>> minds" -- Robert Nesta Marley >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------------------- >>> AGI >>> Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now >>> RSS Feed: >>> https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/11943661-d9279dae >>> Modify Your Subscription: >>> https://www.listbox.com/member/?&; >>> Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com >> >> >> ------------------------------------------- >> AGI >> Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now >> RSS Feed: >> https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/20347893-f72b365c >> Modify Your Subscription: https://www.listbox.com/member/?&; >> Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com > > > ------------------------------------------- > AGI > Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now > RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/11943661-d9279dae > Modify Your Subscription: > https://www.listbox.com/member/?&; > Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com > ------------------------------------------- AGI Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/21088071-f452e424 Modify Your Subscription: https://www.listbox.com/member/?member_id=21088071&id_secret=21088071-58d57657 Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com
