"Amazing what philosophy did for you. Fortunately the Yudkowskian notion of "picking a mind out of the mind-space" is utterly flawed ... otherwise I'd also be afraid to pick a mind like yours."
All these efforts for increased power and freedom demand change: we must change in order to overcome ourselves. Since you're not s seeker of power, you stay the same and don't learn anything. This is WHY I'm 20x smarter than you and lead the world into a new era of peace, love, and prosperity :) On Mon, Apr 7, 2014 at 3:57 PM, Azn A <[email protected]> wrote: > "If philosophy improves your thinking, Azn, then you obviously have not > read enough of it. Being rude, nasty and insulting in exchange for earnest > effort to understand is not the mark of an improved mind." > > The conception of the overman is based on an ideal of total freedom: > nothing constrains or controls the overman but himself, so he is the > creator of his entire universe. Here is what Torvalds, the creator and > overlord of Linux told a developer on his mailing list: > > "Mauro, SHUT THE F--- UP! ... Shut up, Mauro. And I don't _ever_ want to > hear that kind of obvious garbage and idiocy from a kernel maintainer > again. Seriously. ... Fix your f---ing "compliance tool", because it is > obviously broken. And fix your approach to kernel programming." > > Read more: > http://www.businessinsider.com/geekess-calls-linus-torvalds-out-for-rants-2013-7 > > He called Sharp's call for civility "Bullshit." > > Bullshit. > > The thing is, the "victim card" is exactly about trying to enforce > your particular expectations on others, and trying to do so in a very > particular way. It's the old "think of the children" argument. And > it's bogus. Calling things "professional" is just more of the same - > trying to enforce some kind of convention on others by trying to claim > that it's the only acceptable way. > > [ Since you seem to want to keep this in public, I'll just > cut-and-paste from my reply, so you have already seen this part of my > argument, it's only slightly edited because now I'm no longer typing > on my cellphone ] > > The thing is, different people act and react differently. On both > sides. And I think we should recognize that and also *allow* for that. > And sometimes it means, for example, that people interact primarily > with certain people that they like more - because they are a better > "fit". > > I think we actually do it very naturally, simply because we are human, > and this is how people interact in real life too. Sometimes we do it > consciously - the way we have people at various companies that act as > go-betweens - but most of the time we do it just because humans are > all about social interactions and we don't even think about what we do > and why. > > For example, you work mostly through Greg. I don't think either of you > *planned* it that way, but it's likely because you guys work well > together. > > See what I'm saying? People are different. I'm not polite, and I get > upset easily but generally don't hold a grudge - I have these > explosive emails. And that works well for some people. And it probably > doesn't work well with you. > > And you know what? That's fine. Not everybody had to get along or work > well with each other. But the fact that it doesn't work with you > doesn't make it "wrong". > > This isn't all that different from working around language issues etc > by having certain people work as in-betweens on that front. > > And where we differ is in thinking either side has to necessarily > change. You think people need to act "nicer". While I think it's > *natural* that people have different behavior - and different > expectations. We all have issues somewhere and don't all like each > other. There are certain people I refuse to work with, for example. > They may be good engineers, but they just aren't people I can work > with. > > And hey, I don't actually think we've personally even had any > problems. And I realize that you may react very strongly and get > nervous about us having problems, but realistically, do you actually > expect to like all the other kernel engineers? > > And equally importantly, not everybody has to like you, or necessarily > think they have to be liked by you. OK? > > So as far as I'm concerned, the discussion is about "how to work > together DESPITE people being different". Not about trying to make > everybody please each other. Because I can pretty much guarantee that > I'll continue cursing. To me, the discussion would be about how to > work together despite these kinds of cultural differences, not about > "how do we make everybody nice and sing songs sound the campfire" > > Do you think you might be interested in *that* kind of discussion > instead of the "you are abusing me" kind of discussion? > > Because if you want me to "act professional", I can tell you that I'm > not interested. I'm sitting in my home office wearign a bathrobe. The > same way I'm not going to start wearing ties, I'm *also* not going to > buy into the fake politeness, the lying, the office politics and > backstabbing, the passive aggressiveness, and the buzzwords. Because > THAT is what "acting professionally" results in: people resort to all > kinds of really nasty things because they are forced to act out their > normal urges in unnatural ways. > > Linus > > > > > > On Sat, Apr 5, 2014 at 8:01 PM, just camel <[email protected]> wrote: > >> ... said the libertarian responsible for structural violence to the >> megalomaniac responsible for verbal violence. ;-) Maybe one of the first >> things an AGI system will do is to create personalized experiences for >> everybody to improve their thinking/consciousness? But then again the >> fearful/ignorant will probably interpret those experiences in >> non-productive ways just like they do today? The crux of free will ... >> >> >> On 04/06/2014 11:48 PM, Samantha Atkins wrote: >> >>> If philosophy improves your thinking, Azn, then you obviously have not >>> read enough of it. >>> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------- >> AGI >> Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now >> RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/ >> 10514698-9a8cda1e >> Modify Your Subscription: https://www.listbox.com/ >> member/?& >> >> Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com >> > > ------------------------------------------- AGI Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/21088071-f452e424 Modify Your Subscription: https://www.listbox.com/member/?member_id=21088071&id_secret=21088071-58d57657 Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com
