Jim, Hmmm... really, the blog post to which I linked in the email starting this thread, is not very mathematical at all; it's more psychological in nature really.... In that post, I'm more trying to show that mind-related math can be rooted in psych, rather than vice versa...
But yeah, I do think that the mind's pattern formation and recognition processes can be formalized mathematically in terms of a fairly elementary-looking framework. Though there is a lot of specialization within this framework in the brain or in a very-finite-resources AGI system like OpenCog, which creates a lot of implementation complexity... -- Ben G On Tue, Nov 11, 2014 at 9:37 PM, Jim Bromer <[email protected]> wrote: > You persist in your delusion that you could express your ideas > mathematically and that they would constitute some kind of innovation > for AGI. The problem is that information theory, algorithmic > information theory and, lets call it, Goertzel's pattern information > theory are all primitives. Even though these primitives can hold (or > represent) more than one referent they are primitive forms that are > just too unsophisticated for any significant growth in intelligence. > (That is I don't think they would be able to gain enough traction to > be used to grow intelligence because the application of multiple > instances of information primitives inevitably lead to lossy and noisy > implementations.) I am leaving this comment as a primitive criticism > because I don't think you actually understand what I am trying to get > at. The complex patterns that could be used to generate true > intelligence may not be manifestations of these kinds of primitives > because the generation of multiple patterns using these kinds of > primitives may be effective or efficient. So, even if you guys realize > that you have to achieve some higher insight you inevitably end up > referring to the primitive forms (of information theoretic based AI > conjectures) as if they are somehow going to end up becoming more > sophisticated. > Jim Bromer > > > On Sat, Nov 1, 2014 at 7:40 AM, Ben Goertzel via AGI <[email protected]> wrote: >> Some fairly analytic-philosophical thoughts on the underpinnings of >> intelligence, >> >> http://multiverseaccordingtoben.blogspot.hk/2014/11/grounding-representation-and-pattern-in.html >> >> -- >> Ben Goertzel, PhD >> http://goertzel.org >> >> "The reasonable man adapts himself to the world: the unreasonable one >> persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all >> progress depends on the unreasonable man." -- George Bernard Shaw >> >> >> ------------------------------------------- >> AGI >> Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now >> RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/24379807-653794b5 >> Modify Your Subscription: https://www.listbox.com/member/?&; >> Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com -- Ben Goertzel, PhD http://goertzel.org "The reasonable man adapts himself to the world: the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man." -- George Bernard Shaw ------------------------------------------- AGI Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/21088071-f452e424 Modify Your Subscription: https://www.listbox.com/member/?member_id=21088071&id_secret=21088071-58d57657 Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com
