Good note Mike, that is true, I am sure that you understood what I meant. I was comparing the adaptability concerning the environment, so relatively to a human, in a human environment designed by humans, dogs are less intelligent (which is the same as saying that our conscience is more adapted them their in this environment). I believe that when we think about AGI, we are actually thinking about a bunch of things in the same time (which is not wrong). But I would like to improve our notion of General. Think of it: We want to create things similar to humans, but that hasn't been very much a deal for a while... (Maybe you would like to correct me here) Perhaps, we could try to think about a higher level society, how would be a higher level communication between humans which appear to be angels? How would be a society where death is not an imposition of nature? How would be a society where everybody is autodidact, and have no obligation of working, still, everybody works because it makes them happier? I think that we can go even further than designing smarter devices... we can grasp the adaptability features behind our conscience. I like to believe that everything can be mathematically understood. Once someone told me that math means "taking what we already have, grasping what we already know". Math is also a language, so this crash in people brains... When Albert Einstein was thinking about his theories, he was using a method more powerful than our current math, (I think that our math uses in most our speech abilities)... The animals and us also have this very same feature albert einstein used so much, but humans, because of speech, get it a little bit shadowed maybe, so we think a lot verbally. Speech was a way we developed to exchange models among other humans, but speech itself is inefficient... Some studies show that a very large percentage of what we say is redundant/nonsence, we could develop a much more mathematical language too, which would be much less verbose and would tell much more. In conclusion, we would change the world in a more abstract and powerful level never thought before.
On Tue, Mar 15, 2016 at 7:52 PM, Mike Archbold <[email protected]> wrote: > Just a quick note that when you claim "dogs are less intelligent than > us" depends upon how you define intelligence. Obviously I see your > meaning. However they have superior perceptive intelligence for > smells, and have are at least our equals in spatial intelligence > (tracking motion etc). > > Mike A > > On 3/15/16, Felipe Carmona Miquilini <[email protected]> wrote: > > I've improved my own mental modules about conscience and intelligence, > and > > I would like to share them with you, maybe you could help me, giving me > > even more perspectives, so here we go! > > Following are 4 things which I have been thinking for a while: > > > > 1 - Conscience strives for adaptability. The most its state is coherent > > with the environment, the better its owner will survive. > > > > 2 - What every thought has in common is the purpose to improve the > > representation of a given domain from the conscience state cited above - > > Our thoughts make it by accessing, changing and creating new > > models/abstractions. It is useful to think about domains because our > > conscience can divide the challenge of representing the environment, > using > > chunks that make sense for its adaptability. > > > > 3 - In this scenario, intelligence is how well the conscience is adapted > to > > the environment, e.g. it makes sense to say that the dogs are less > > intelligent than us, because our conscience are better adapted than > theirs > > in the environment the person who are saying it are (maybe a hectic human > > city). > > > > 4 - Changing the environment is a way to adapt. Changing the environment > > for better adaptability can be considered a high level of consciousness, > > because its models are so "sharp" that can be used to anticipate the > > environment, and change it. We do it with medicine, engineering, while > > talking, etc... > > > > Now a conclusion, which I would like you to put more ideas related to it. > > > > The key aspect is the World > > If we think about the conscience as a mechanism which strives for > > adaptability, then think about it: Physicists and Mathematicians have > > generally better abstract models in the means of understanding the > nature. > > Their thoughts tend to be more accurate and based on logic and empiric > > facts concerning the nature. So, we could suggest that Mathematicians are > > by definition more conscious than Layers, Actors, etc... Which is not > > necessarily true, because a Business man, can be considered more > important > > or more aware about its business than a mathematician, or anyone else, > for > > instance... This implies that the world is more relevant than the > > "conscious entity" itself. What I mean is, creating a great model about > the > > world an "Artificial Conscience" would act at is the right answer to > > achieve real AGI... and it makes the problem much easier to deal with... > > > > A simple ERP system, for instance, can be considered an extension of a > > sharp conscience - which begins in a banal user - while this very ERP > > system is stupid as a rock when the subject is girls, for instance... > The G > > from AGI is what really concern us. What is General? We have to define > > General mathematically to beautifully solve the problem. > > > > -- > > Felipe Carmona Miquilini > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------- > > AGI > > Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now > > RSS Feed: > https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/11943661-d9279dae > > Modify Your Subscription: > > https://www.listbox.com/member/?&; > > Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com > > > > > ------------------------------------------- > AGI > Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now > RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/27000053-56584e86 > Modify Your Subscription: > https://www.listbox.com/member/?&; > Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com > -- Felipe Carmona Miquilini ------------------------------------------- AGI Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/21088071-f452e424 Modify Your Subscription: https://www.listbox.com/member/?member_id=21088071&id_secret=21088071-58d57657 Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com
