Jim Bromer, thanks for your email. I think that there are some misconceptions, imagine that there are a concept of "adaptation level" and other of "dynamics which strive for adaptability".
On Tue, Mar 15, 2016 at 11:03 PM, Felipe Carmona Miquilini < [email protected]> wrote: > Good note Mike, that is true, I am sure that you understood what I meant. > I was comparing the adaptability concerning the environment, so relatively > to a human, in a human environment designed by humans, dogs are less > intelligent (which is the same as saying that our conscience is more > adapted them their in this environment). I believe that when we think about > AGI, we are actually thinking about a bunch of things in the same time > (which is not wrong). But I would like to improve our notion of General. > Think of it: We want to create things similar to humans, but that hasn't > been very much a deal for a while... (Maybe you would like to correct me > here) > Perhaps, we could try to think about a higher level society, how would be > a higher level communication between humans which appear to be angels? How > would be a society where death is not an imposition of nature? How would be > a society where everybody is autodidact, and have no obligation of working, > still, everybody works because it makes them happier? I think that we can > go even further than designing smarter devices... we can grasp the > adaptability features behind our conscience. I like to believe that > everything can be mathematically understood. Once someone told me that math > means "taking what we already have, grasping what we already know". Math is > also a language, so this crash in people brains... When Albert Einstein was > thinking about his theories, he was using a method more powerful than our > current math, (I think that our math uses in most our speech abilities)... > The animals and us also have this very same feature albert einstein used so > much, but humans, because of speech, get it a little bit shadowed maybe, so > we think a lot verbally. Speech was a way we developed to exchange models > among other humans, but speech itself is inefficient... Some studies show > that a very large percentage of what we say is redundant/nonsence, we could > develop a much more mathematical language too, which would be much less > verbose and would tell much more. In conclusion, we would change the world > in a more abstract and powerful level never thought before. > > On Tue, Mar 15, 2016 at 7:52 PM, Mike Archbold <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> Just a quick note that when you claim "dogs are less intelligent than >> us" depends upon how you define intelligence. Obviously I see your >> meaning. However they have superior perceptive intelligence for >> smells, and have are at least our equals in spatial intelligence >> (tracking motion etc). >> >> Mike A >> >> On 3/15/16, Felipe Carmona Miquilini <[email protected]> wrote: >> > I've improved my own mental modules about conscience and intelligence, >> and >> > I would like to share them with you, maybe you could help me, giving me >> > even more perspectives, so here we go! >> > Following are 4 things which I have been thinking for a while: >> > >> > 1 - Conscience strives for adaptability. The most its state is coherent >> > with the environment, the better its owner will survive. >> > >> > 2 - What every thought has in common is the purpose to improve the >> > representation of a given domain from the conscience state cited above - >> > Our thoughts make it by accessing, changing and creating new >> > models/abstractions. It is useful to think about domains because our >> > conscience can divide the challenge of representing the environment, >> using >> > chunks that make sense for its adaptability. >> > >> > 3 - In this scenario, intelligence is how well the conscience is >> adapted to >> > the environment, e.g. it makes sense to say that the dogs are less >> > intelligent than us, because our conscience are better adapted than >> theirs >> > in the environment the person who are saying it are (maybe a hectic >> human >> > city). >> > >> > 4 - Changing the environment is a way to adapt. Changing the environment >> > for better adaptability can be considered a high level of >> consciousness, >> > because its models are so "sharp" that can be used to anticipate the >> > environment, and change it. We do it with medicine, engineering, while >> > talking, etc... >> > >> > Now a conclusion, which I would like you to put more ideas related to >> it. >> > >> > The key aspect is the World >> > If we think about the conscience as a mechanism which strives for >> > adaptability, then think about it: Physicists and Mathematicians have >> > generally better abstract models in the means of understanding the >> nature. >> > Their thoughts tend to be more accurate and based on logic and empiric >> > facts concerning the nature. So, we could suggest that Mathematicians >> are >> > by definition more conscious than Layers, Actors, etc... Which is not >> > necessarily true, because a Business man, can be considered more >> important >> > or more aware about its business than a mathematician, or anyone else, >> for >> > instance... This implies that the world is more relevant than the >> > "conscious entity" itself. What I mean is, creating a great model about >> the >> > world an "Artificial Conscience" would act at is the right answer to >> > achieve real AGI... and it makes the problem much easier to deal with... >> > >> > A simple ERP system, for instance, can be considered an extension of a >> > sharp conscience - which begins in a banal user - while this very ERP >> > system is stupid as a rock when the subject is girls, for instance... >> The G >> > from AGI is what really concern us. What is General? We have to define >> > General mathematically to beautifully solve the problem. >> > >> > -- >> > Felipe Carmona Miquilini >> > >> > >> > >> > ------------------------------------------- >> > AGI >> > Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now >> > RSS Feed: >> https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/11943661-d9279dae >> > Modify Your Subscription: >> > https://www.listbox.com/member/?&; >> > Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com >> > >> >> >> ------------------------------------------- >> AGI >> Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now >> RSS Feed: >> https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/27000053-56584e86 >> Modify Your Subscription: >> https://www.listbox.com/member/?&; >> Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com >> > > > > -- > Felipe Carmona Miquilini > -- Felipe Carmona Miquilini ------------------------------------------- AGI Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/21088071-f452e424 Modify Your Subscription: https://www.listbox.com/member/?member_id=21088071&id_secret=21088071-58d57657 Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com
