I think that we have to try to go, as humans, to more "energetic", "powerful" levels, and as consequence, things will start to happen...
On Tue, Mar 15, 2016 at 11:14 PM, Felipe Carmona Miquilini < [email protected]> wrote: > Jim Bromer, thanks for your email. > I think that there are some misconceptions, imagine that there are a > concept of "adaptation level" and other of "dynamics which strive for > adaptability". > > On Tue, Mar 15, 2016 at 11:03 PM, Felipe Carmona Miquilini < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> Good note Mike, that is true, I am sure that you understood what I meant. >> I was comparing the adaptability concerning the environment, so relatively >> to a human, in a human environment designed by humans, dogs are less >> intelligent (which is the same as saying that our conscience is more >> adapted them their in this environment). I believe that when we think about >> AGI, we are actually thinking about a bunch of things in the same time >> (which is not wrong). But I would like to improve our notion of General. >> Think of it: We want to create things similar to humans, but that hasn't >> been very much a deal for a while... (Maybe you would like to correct me >> here) >> Perhaps, we could try to think about a higher level society, how would be >> a higher level communication between humans which appear to be angels? How >> would be a society where death is not an imposition of nature? How would be >> a society where everybody is autodidact, and have no obligation of working, >> still, everybody works because it makes them happier? I think that we can >> go even further than designing smarter devices... we can grasp the >> adaptability features behind our conscience. I like to believe that >> everything can be mathematically understood. Once someone told me that math >> means "taking what we already have, grasping what we already know". Math is >> also a language, so this crash in people brains... When Albert Einstein was >> thinking about his theories, he was using a method more powerful than our >> current math, (I think that our math uses in most our speech abilities)... >> The animals and us also have this very same feature albert einstein used so >> much, but humans, because of speech, get it a little bit shadowed maybe, so >> we think a lot verbally. Speech was a way we developed to exchange models >> among other humans, but speech itself is inefficient... Some studies show >> that a very large percentage of what we say is redundant/nonsence, we could >> develop a much more mathematical language too, which would be much less >> verbose and would tell much more. In conclusion, we would change the world >> in a more abstract and powerful level never thought before. >> >> On Tue, Mar 15, 2016 at 7:52 PM, Mike Archbold <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> Just a quick note that when you claim "dogs are less intelligent than >>> us" depends upon how you define intelligence. Obviously I see your >>> meaning. However they have superior perceptive intelligence for >>> smells, and have are at least our equals in spatial intelligence >>> (tracking motion etc). >>> >>> Mike A >>> >>> On 3/15/16, Felipe Carmona Miquilini <[email protected]> wrote: >>> > I've improved my own mental modules about conscience and intelligence, >>> and >>> > I would like to share them with you, maybe you could help me, giving me >>> > even more perspectives, so here we go! >>> > Following are 4 things which I have been thinking for a while: >>> > >>> > 1 - Conscience strives for adaptability. The most its state is >>> coherent >>> > with the environment, the better its owner will survive. >>> > >>> > 2 - What every thought has in common is the purpose to improve the >>> > representation of a given domain from the conscience state cited above >>> - >>> > Our thoughts make it by accessing, changing and creating new >>> > models/abstractions. It is useful to think about domains because our >>> > conscience can divide the challenge of representing the environment, >>> using >>> > chunks that make sense for its adaptability. >>> > >>> > 3 - In this scenario, intelligence is how well the conscience is >>> adapted to >>> > the environment, e.g. it makes sense to say that the dogs are less >>> > intelligent than us, because our conscience are better adapted than >>> theirs >>> > in the environment the person who are saying it are (maybe a hectic >>> human >>> > city). >>> > >>> > 4 - Changing the environment is a way to adapt. Changing the >>> environment >>> > for better adaptability can be considered a high level of >>> consciousness, >>> > because its models are so "sharp" that can be used to anticipate the >>> > environment, and change it. We do it with medicine, engineering, while >>> > talking, etc... >>> > >>> > Now a conclusion, which I would like you to put more ideas related to >>> it. >>> > >>> > The key aspect is the World >>> > If we think about the conscience as a mechanism which strives for >>> > adaptability, then think about it: Physicists and Mathematicians have >>> > generally better abstract models in the means of understanding the >>> nature. >>> > Their thoughts tend to be more accurate and based on logic and empiric >>> > facts concerning the nature. So, we could suggest that Mathematicians >>> are >>> > by definition more conscious than Layers, Actors, etc... Which is not >>> > necessarily true, because a Business man, can be considered more >>> important >>> > or more aware about its business than a mathematician, or anyone else, >>> for >>> > instance... This implies that the world is more relevant than the >>> > "conscious entity" itself. What I mean is, creating a great model >>> about the >>> > world an "Artificial Conscience" would act at is the right answer to >>> > achieve real AGI... and it makes the problem much easier to deal >>> with... >>> > >>> > A simple ERP system, for instance, can be considered an extension of a >>> > sharp conscience - which begins in a banal user - while this very ERP >>> > system is stupid as a rock when the subject is girls, for instance... >>> The G >>> > from AGI is what really concern us. What is General? 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