Mike, I just wonder that whenever you find "there's one thing so screamingly obvious that you guys don't seem to be taking it into account", have it ever occurred to you that there may be a valid reason?
For the current issue, whether there is still human "in the loop" has little to do with the machine's intelligence, as far as the human is not responsible for specifying the machine's operation step-by-step. In the long run, machines will surely become more and more autonomous, but we probably still want to stay in the loop, even though technically it won't be necessary. Anyway, "taking humans out of the loop" doesn't sound like a good choice for AGI development at the moment, unless you have a concrete design to show us otherwise. Pei On 5/11/07, Mike Tintner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Josh, > Since the 90s there has been a strand in AI research that claims that >> robotics is necessary to the enterprise, based on the notion that >> having a body is necessary to intelligence. Symbols, it is said, must >> be grounded in physical experience to have meaning. Without such >> grounding AI practitioners are deceiving themselves by calling their >> Lisp atoms things like MOTHER-IN-LAW when they really mean no more >> than G2250. > Pei: I think these people correctly recognized a problem in traditional AI, > though they attributed it to a wrong cause.. Every implemented system > already has a "body" --- the hardware, and as long as the system has input and output, it has experience that comes from its body. Of course, since the body is not human body, the experience is not human experience. However, as far as this discussion is concerned, it doesn't matter, since this kind of experience is genuine experience that can be used to ground meaning of concepts. Er, there's one thing so screamingly obvious that you guys don't seem to be taking it into account here. All these machines you are talking about are basically inert lumps of metal and don't exist without human beings to switch them on, feed them & interpret them. Humans are still, pace Rodney B, "in the loop." Try taking humans out of the loop and then see what these standalone computers do and don't understand - or what they do, period. ----- This list is sponsored by AGIRI: http://www.agiri.org/email To unsubscribe or change your options, please go to: http://v2.listbox.com/member/?&;
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