--- Linas Vepstas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Wed, Nov 07, 2007 at 08:38:40AM -0700, Derek Zahn wrote: > > A large number of individuals on this list are "architecting" an AGI > > solution (or part of one) in their spare time. I think that most of > > those efforts do not have meaningful answers to many of the questions, > > but rather intend to address AGI questions from a particular perspective. > > [...] > > > > Probably most people like that are not "serious contenders" in the sense > > of having a complete detailed plan for achieving a full AGI. > > And the "serious contenders" are a handful of small companies that > seem unlikely to fill out a self-assesment status report card > revealing thier weaknesses and strengths to the competition. > > Tell me again why *anyone* would want to fill this out? > If I had some neat whiz-bang thing, I know enough marketing > to know that I should emphasize what its great at, rather > than placing large blaring red X's on the 19 check-boxes > that it sucks at. > > I thought the point was to promote colaboration, but I don't > see how. Do you really think you'll convince Cyc corp to > use SUMO's upper ontology, or v.v.? Do you think that anyone > working on a theorem prover will abandon it, to go work on > NARS, or v.v? > > Most of the major projects already have articles on Wikipedia; > I don't see much addition here except cruft. Maybe I missed > the point; excuse me if I sound negative.
Maybe listing all the projects that have NOT achieved AGI might give us some insight. - Early attempts at AI like GPS [1] and the 1959 Russian-English translation project seriously underestimated the difficulty of the problem. - Later attempts like SHRDLU and Cyc seriously underestimated the difficulty of the problem. - Current AGI projects like Novamente are forging ahead, even though we STILL do not know how much training data and computing power we need. - Big companies like Google and IBM (Blue Brain) with massive data sets and computing power are still doing basic research. - Really smart people like Minsky, Kurzweil, and Yudkowsky are not trying to actually build AGI. 1. A. Newell, H. A. Simon, "GPS: A Program that Simulates Human Thought", Lernende Automaten, Munich: R. Oldenbourg KG, 1961. -- Matt Mahoney, [EMAIL PROTECTED] ----- This list is sponsored by AGIRI: http://www.agiri.org/email To unsubscribe or change your options, please go to: http://v2.listbox.com/member/?member_id=8660244&id_secret=62723483-39066e
