Matt,

> > >believe that you can control your thoughts and actions,
> >
> > I don't. Seems unlikely.
> >
> > > and fear death
> >
> > Some people accept things they cannot (or don't know how to) change
> > without getting emotional.
> >
> > >because if you did not have these beliefs you would not propagate
> > your DNA.  It is not possible for
> > any human to believe otherwise.
> >
> > False
>
> This is an example of my assertion that you believe you can control your
> thoughts. You believe you can override your instincts (one of which is this
> belief that you can). If you really believed that hunger was not real or that
> you could turn it off, then you would stop eating.  But you don't.

I don't think intelligence can successfully emerge in worlds that
aren't driven by causality = I believe we are being forced to
do_&_believe whatever we do_&_believe. Still, it's IMO OK to say
"person P1 did X & P2 Y" instead of "the Universe did X & Y through P1
& P2" or so.

> > >But logically you know that your brain is just a machine, or else AGI would
> > not be possible.
> >
> > I disagree with your logic because human brain does things AGI does
> > not need to do AND the stuff the AGI needs to do does not need to be
> > done the way brain does it. But I don't deny that human brain is a
> > [kind of] machine. We just don't understand all parts of it well
> > enough for upload - which is not really a problem for AGI development.
>
> It is a big problem if AGI takes the form of recursively self improving
> intelligence that is not in the form of augmented human brains.  RSI is an
> evolutionary algorithm that favors rapid reproduction and acquisition of
> computing resources, nothing else.  Humans would be seen as competitors.
> If humans are to survive, then we must become the AGI by upgrading our brains
> or uploading.

We just need to control AGIs goal system.

> But if consciousness does not exist...

obviously, it does exist.

Regards,
Jiri Jelinek

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